COVID-19 vaccines & treatments 2021

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  1. Simon Hampel

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    {Note from mods - this thread continued from here: CoronaVirus - Possible Vaccines and Treatments [Health & Family]}




    Israel leading global race to vaccinate population against coronavirus

    Israel has the highest proportional rate of COVID-19 vaccine administration worldwide as countries race to inoculate their citizens against coronavirus.​

    Articles like this irk me.

    Source of the data is here: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations - Statistics and Research - and they are basing the headline on this chart which shows Israel way out in front for vaccination.

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    What the article doesn't mention is that Israel has a tiny population compared to the UK and US ... 9 million vs 67 million for UK and 328 million for the US.

    When you're first starting to roll out a vaccination program - the first million doses require largely the same amount of work for a population of 9 million as they do for a population of 328 million - so really, the percentage of the population vaccinated in Israel is only a statistical quirk.

    Here are the total number of vaccines administered:

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    Israel is actually in equal 3rd place with the UK, both having rolled out approximately 1 million vaccinations each.
     
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    Israel entered some early bird deals and overpaid for the vaccines which is why they are so far ahead at the moment of every one else.
    European countries are getting allocations in an agreement based on population, Spain at the moment 350,000 a week.

    Money can get people ahead in the queue, it's not right really.
     
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    The "golden rule" - them with the gold makes the rules
     
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    We won't get it till March! I am hanging out to travel!
     
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    If you're under 60 and healthy then probably not until the second half of the year
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I think it would be Oct at the earliest.
     
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    Even if you get the vaccine, there is talk that you would still need to quarantine on arrival. I think this would turn off most people.
     
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    The fact is that we do not yet have any data about how long the effects of the vaccine will last and what the risks are for transmission of the virus from vaccinated people.

    If it turns out that the vaccines don't prevent you from spreading the virus to other people, then vaccination alone won't help with travel - you could be infectious and vaccinated and still infect other people, in which case you'd still need to quarantine while travelling to be sure you're not infecting others.

    To be clear: these vaccines were designed to prevent you from getting very sick if you come into contact with the virus. They were not designed to prevent you from transmitting the virus to others.

    We simply don't know how this is going to work yet.

    Unfortunately, vaccinations are not going to magically make everything better in the short term - we've still got a very long road ahead of us before we can start returning to normal.

    I wouldn't count on travelling internationally in 2021.
     
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    Interim results of the WHO initiated Solidarity Trial has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2023184

    These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay.

    Disappointing news. In saying that, the trial has still not been completed and will likely be examined further looking at different sub populations.
    It seems that the success of vaccines will now be very critical.
     
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    Listening/watching to PBS News Hour today, it sounds like various governments are doing their own thing with the administering of the vaccine. UK & various US states have decided upon doing the first dose then delaying the follow-up shot for 12 weeks. An alternative also discussed is administering a ½ dose.

    Is this unproven science or a big risk or a way of distributing more shots through the population?

    Is there a lack of manufacturing capacity to meet the demand or a lack of people to administer doses?
     
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    If this is true, it’s absolutely absurd to administer the vaccine outside of how it was approved by the regulatory authority. They are basically playing Russian roulette- on some people, the half dose may not even work.
    By trying to give the dose to more people, less people altogether will have an effective treatment.
     
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    The new 50-60% more infectious strain has put the willies up the governments - and rightly so.

    What they have found is that a single dose will give 60-70% protection from falling ill (ie,requiring hospitalisation) from the virus - whereas the double dose will give 90-95% protection.

    Right now, the governments are in "protect the health system" mode as hospitals quickly become overwhelmed with the new strain, supplies, such as oxygen, run out and they literally don't have any beds/staff available.

    They're taking the gamble of immunising twice as many people to 60% efficacy
     
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    This is only for the AZ vaccine.
    And the data is limited here. Caution must be used.
     
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    Likely both - as well as logistic (transport/distribution) issues - not just of the vax itself but the manufacturing consumables.

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    However, presuming that Israel has the same number of staff who can administer vaccinations per head of population than England, each staff member in Israel has a far bigger caseload than in England.
     
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    Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center, delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II."

    "I CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS": Doctor pleads for review of data during COVID-19 Senate hearing - YouTube

    Very interesting speech, he talks about ivermectin literally obliterating covid and yet the FDA, NIH, CDC or any other regulatory body are taking any notice.

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    I'd need to see more than a single opinion on a youtube video and a few colourful charts.

    Where are the trials - the testing - the data - the peer review? Any proof really
     
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    Well there's over 3.7 Billion doses been given globally for other indications so they know its safe, your welcome to go looking for the data or testing if your medically capable, but if you look up his credentials along with his colleagues its pretty clear to see they aren't just talking out their backside.

    Of course this drug is cheap so big pharma wont make anything off actually treating it with this. a Vaccine sounds like the more profitable option.
     
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    There are "observational studies" and clinician opinions, but no clinical trials to support the claims. Kind of like homeopathy in that respect I guess. Or maybe something Pete Evans would sell.

    This may not be a source you respect, but it is littered with links to support the statements made:
    Ivermectin is still not a miracle cure for COVID-19, despite what you may have read

    And the claim that public health officials, or indeed independent campaigners (including Bill Gates) would allow an effective method of treatment to be suppressed by "Big Pharma" is ludicrous. Any politician would leap at the opportunity to be a saviour and stick it to The Man if this treatment was actually proven to work. And who knows, it may yet - once they do clinical trials and move beyond anecdotes.

    Cheers,
    inertia.
     
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    Vitamin D has also anecdotally been shown to have a significant effect ... again it's cheap, not research for covid and hence ignored by those in authority

    Time to sit out in the sun for a while
     
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