COVID-19 in other countries

For a minute I thought i was going insane

 

It's blindingly obvious, you only have to picture the size of Aus. v's NZ on a map.

NZ is around the size of Victoria.

 

Okay. So way less the density less Australia ... so the fact that we have similar infection rates per population blows MTRs argument that Australia has higher population density than NZ even further ity of the water

Apologises I didn't look up with specific details ... my argument was that NZ has a higher density than Australia, so are doing way better per population

 

Comparing density and population size is not comparing oranges with oranges.

According to Worldometers Australia's infection rate per million is 247, NZ is 12% higher at 276.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,780,318 Cases and 108,828 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

I would suggest you read @MTR's post again, she is looking at numbers, not population density or land size, you raised the comparison of this mythical land size not @MTR.

 

Averages dont make facts they distort them. 7million sq kilometres have less than 1person per sq klm. Australian population is very concentrated, more concentrated than NZ whose largest city is only about 1 million.

 

If you mean this comment - then by comparing the two countries on an orange to orange basis - the infection rate per population is clinically similar (as pointed out by GeoffW). NZ has a much higher population density than Australia, yet that somehow hasn't translated into a higher infection rate. NZ also has a much lower death rate per population than Australia.

Death rates per million:
Australia - 59/25,000,000 = 1/423,729
New Zealand - 2/4,900,000 = 1/2,450,000

Which all equates to NZ doing something right - and, asides from a severe lockdown, which their economy seems to be managing because "everything" got locked down - basically like a pause on the entire economy (rent, mortgages, rates, utilities etc) - then the difference in the "death rate" per infected population may, perhaps, might mean another advantageous factor such as the high TB vaccine rates

Which is what this discussion was about - before it got deflected by some - the fact that NZ had, historically, mass TB vaccination, with TB vaccination now potentially showing to have a effect on the severity of the disease

p.s. be interesting to see how the NZ economy comes out of this situation - they basically put their whole economy on pause, rather than the partial shutdowns that Australia did, resulting in Australian businesses and investors still having to somehow find money to pay underlying expenses despite no income

 

It is probably more important who is infected as opposed to how many. An outbreak on a cruise ship loaded with 70 year old plus retirees or in a Tasmanian or Sydney nursing home really isn’t comparable to an outbreak within the 20 something back packer demographic.

 

Italy has spiked
Easter may not work out too well

 

Yes averages can distort facts, and density was a red herring introduced into the discussion, which was about comparing infection rates between Australia and NZ.

NZ's largest city has a population of approx 1.5 Million with a urban population density of 1,210 people per square kilometre.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/auckland-population/

Sydney has a population of approx.5.3 million with a urban area is estimated at 4,196sq km which translates to a density of 1,171 persons per square kilometre.
Greater Sydney - City of Sydney.

Not all that different but irrelevant to the discussion.

 

There has been a number of topics discussed in this thread, an important one being 'growth factor' which shows where the numbers are heading. Both Australia(.82) and NZ(.85) not far behind are doing well.

Your Death rates are incorrect, they are also a lagging factor and as @HUGH72 and @geoffw with his mention of the cruise liner pointed out these rates are very dependent on demographics.

Australia also had mass inoculations as pointed out to you in another thread.

 

How do they decide ?
First in first serve ?
"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe"

 

Denmark gradual opening

Denmark to ease restrictions next week after coronavirus lockdown

 

US admin been saying US will have worst 2 weeks, but it is improving in measures you wont see on charts yet. Deaths are terrible, but Understand population matters

 

It is out of our control but not out of our influence.

Another one of my guiding principles:- we always have the ability to influence.

But not everyone realises this to be so.

 

Nope

 

They make decisions based on the survivability of patients, same as in many countries at the moment.
But less need for that now, Spain has built huge temporary hospitals in convention centres, etc., and sourced a lot more medical supplies direct from China using military planes. Some European countries had problems with medical equipment being intercepted en-route by the USA so better to use direct military transport to avoid US pirates.

 

When I was in business, I had many guiding principles. Two major ones were:

1. If you (the business owner) believe you are the smartest person on your team, your team in in trouble.
2. If you are the only person on your team, you are in deep poo-poo.

We all know the president thinks he is a great business person and a great leader, this article (warning:- a long one) shows he severely breached the two principles detailed above:

Read in The New York Times: He was warned early and often: Behind Trump’s halting response to the coronavirus — The New York Times