Corona - What happens if it's just let go .......

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by See Change, 24th Mar, 2020.

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  1. Lacrim

    Lacrim Well-Known Member

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    What concerns me is what's going on in Spain and Italy.

    Surely the entire arsenal of possible treatments that have an even remote chance of fighting the virus is being trialled there vigorously, yet you don't hear of anyone improving bc of drug xyz.
     
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    Yep. I did rollover testing and identified a number of issues with our systems that would have been a problem if they were not rectified. I spent months with a team reprogramming and rollover testing. We didn't have any issues when y2k finally arrived.
     
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    Although it may work, the problem with plasmas treatment is that you require blood donors to create they plasma, and hence a limited supply.

    An inexpensive manufactured drug would would be a more reliable and reliable solution, especially if large populations in counties such as India or Indonesia become infected
     
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    Blergh ... what happens when you type a post, then roll over and go back to sleep ... ?

    ***reliable and affordable solution
     
  5. See Change

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    Geee

    Hey guys we think this medication might work ....

    The US , " hey guys they've cured it and you can this tremendous new medication "

    ICU contact supply for new supplies of xyzzy

    Sorry , we had a rush on that by the worried well , so we don't have any available for your ICU patients .

    " CURE " says the headline

    Fantastic , guys lets go out and party on Bondi , **** the police .

    Infection rates soar and the system gets overwhelmed and old people ( now classified as over 35 die ) .

    There are so many reasons why a " cure " won't be publicised at the moment , out side the unavailability of the vast majority of meds in the numbers that you'd need them . Like anything , that wouldn't happen over night .

    Cliff
     
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    Even if they only had limited treatments it would be a huge boost. Prioritise treatment of medical staff.
     
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    However, if a treatment became known but only given to those who were considered priorities, there would be rioting and looting and complete breakdown as everyone thinks "they" are the priority - because, to them, they are
     
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    Yeah, I'm with you.
    I was replying to @Trainee who questioned my reply that if the virus was let go there would be civil unrest.
     
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    Drugs aren't a solution for the immediate problem, they take too much time, and there is no time. The only solution for hard hit countries is extended strict quarantine of the population, like China did. Like Spain and Italy are doing now.

    On a positive note, new cases and deaths here today (6832,507) less than yesterday (7457,656). They said it would take 10 days for total quarantine to start having an effect, and today is day 11. Its only one day but hopefully this continues.

    Still expect a long quarantine, at least 6 weeks. Maybe 2 months, or 3, who knows. Any country that lets up too early will pay a heavy price.
     
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    Beggars cant be choosers.....
    The good thing is its approved and we will know in one month if it works

    if it does work it will be a game changer
     
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    Here's a link for reference:
    FDA to Allow for Plasma Therapy for COVID-19 Patients

    While it's promising and will provide some relief, it works by taking plasma from people who've had coronavirus; even then its effectiveness is yet unproven. It appears that its intended to give immunity, not to cure, so would be most effective given to health workers. I suspect that it will take a lot longer than one month for clinical trials.

    It was a technique used during the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic with some success.
     
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    I'm not taking about a vaccine, I'm taking about drugs that can reduce symptoms, reduce the viral load. And yes, of course it will take some time - maybe 2 - 3 months? IF an effective cocktail of drugs is found, GP's can administer them and the vast majority of the infected can recover at home, not in ICUs.

    If COVID19 becomes more benign as a result, then the herd immunity strategy can play out and the virus won't be a death sentence to the vulnerable.....life can gradually get back to the way it was etc.

    We don't know if a complete lockdown is going to stamp this out because it has to be concerted, long enough and virtually done simultaneously throughout the world. I just can't see that happening. Plus the economic fallout will devastate many families more than the virus itself.
     
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    Not according to CDD

    Tell you in one month

    Never said its a cure, its a treatment
     
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    You're right, I'm sorry. It can be used as a treatment as well as giving immunity - I didn't read my own link properly.

    While this treatment can be used for some critically ill patients (approved by the FDA on a case by case basis), I can't see that the treatment, and the supply of plasma from recovered patients, would be widely available for some time yet. One solution is to use horses to develop the antibodies. These will take some time - this article talks about testing towards the end of the northern hemisphere summer.
    New York Center First to Collect Plasma From COVID-19 Patients as Possible Treatment

    Direct human to human treatment will probably be much quicker, but quantities will be limited, as only plasma from recovered patients can be used.
     
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    Sure we all know a cure is a way off

    But I would settle for a treatment at the moment
     
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    Absolutely

    As I said it will be a game changer and help the psyche
     
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    Hi Sea Change,

    When confronted with a life of death situation, the scenario is different. I don’t disagree with what you are saying. The scenario is also different when we are talking about generic drugs that have been on the market for years.

    I was just giving you the perspective from the pharmaceutical industry. We are bound by strict regulatory laws, pandemic or no pandemic. If the government wants to test our current non-generic drugs on patients, that’s their call.

    At the moment, we have been inundated with questions from our physicians regarding drug xy and whether there is any impact or dangers using xy on patients with COVID-19. Our response is always, ‘there is no clinical data to support this use and any decision on using this drug would have to undergo careful risk/benefit evaluation and is at the discretion of the treating physician’.
     
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    Sad to see them doing this now in NY.
     
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    The mass graves are for unclaimed bodies - homeless people etc who are found dead on the streets or in their homes - and those who are to poor to afford a burial.

    Apparently there have been over 1,000 of those already. Incredibly sad
     
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    Thought this was interesting
    Number that will trigger end to lockdown
     
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