Climate change

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  1. Propagate

    Propagate Well-Known Member

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    That's assuming we carry on as we are. The amount of land we use to grow animal feed could support a population of 10 billion if used to grow human feed. If we stop ploughing money into coal mines and divert it into renewables we can accelerate the advances in clean energy. If we do more to educate developing countries in contraception and supply contraceptives we can address some of the rampant population growth without resorting to "something very very very controversial & historically abhorrent."

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    Family planning/Contraception

    Or, we could just say **** it, carry on as we are and leave our kids and grand kids to deal with the aftermath, assuming we're lucky enough to have kicked the bucket before the **** really hits the fan.
     
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    EV's won't wear out, they have very few moving parts those parts that do can be replaced cheaply. They could do millions of kilometres. Their will be limited numbers available for recycling.
     
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    Don't worry - the anti-vaxxers and antibiotic abusers will solve that one for us

    In the meantime, what does it hurt to make changes in your life for a healthier planet - even if some are in denial that 7.5 billion people could possibly have any affect on our earth
     
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    Panasonic has said that after using the batteries in EVs, they can be reused for house electricity storage.
     
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    It's the 7.5 billion people coupled with exponential growth that's actually the real problem.. ... I'm not advocating do nothing, just let's get realistic about the per capita part of the debate....
     
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    Imagine if there was any other single species, of our size and impact, with 7.5 billion individuals ... such as great apes or lions or wolves .... the balance of nature would be so out of kilter
     
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    We'll be at 10 billion tomorrow in earth history terms.... then what? Move to Mars? Global rations? Global procreation agreements/ laws.....

    Yes reducing emissions & being environmentally conscious is a good immediate baby step, but then what? Exponential population growth is real ... and it needs to be part of the debate today....
     
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    Melting permafrost in Arctic will have $70tn climate impact – study

    Link to the article in Nature Communications
    Climate policy implications of nonlinear decline of Arctic land permafrost and other cryosphere elements | Nature Communications
     
  9. Lizzie

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    I agree - and the core is education of the girls.

    Third world studies have proven that educated girls have 1-2 children and later in life - whereas uneducated have a child every 2 years from the time they can procreate.

    David Attenborough: The planet can’t cope with overpopulation

    Sadly, a lot of girls in third world countries live in areas dominated by old/religious men who deny them the chance to be educated as, being tied to childbirth and raising is a form of control. Also, for a lot of these countries, the expectation is that children will care for you in old age - so the more children the better care
     
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    In poor countries, people have lots of children in the hope they will be looked after in old age. Kids are their super. Until incomes increase there is little hope that birth rates drop.
     
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    I agreed with everything you said up until this.

    The problem is actually stone age religious beliefs which restrict women from controlling their own body and limiting their access to education.

    Natural population growth in Europe and Japan is already non existent.
     
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    agree - and who do you think runs these religious beliefs?
     
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    Yet with so many people - including powerful world leaders - who don't believe it's real, or if it can even be changed, things are going to improve only very slowly. The world comes to an emissions target agreement, and the country with the second highest emissions pulls out.
     
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    Reminds me of this question
     
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    Just to be clear you're saying the world needs to agree upon something ie climate change and then agree on what to do about it. Next all the nations need to actually do what they agreed to and not pull out like the US did.
    How about we all agree on something else and do something about that.
    How about we agree that oil is a pretty amazing natural resource and we need to manage our use of it so it lasts for as long as possible.
    From this we could start limiting our use of plastics to only important uses like medical items rather that double wrapping our sausages at Coles. We could also get rid of cheap bottled water in Australia and use refillable bottles only.
    Secondly I also believe we as Australians should be a bit more concerned about our own backyard instead of just saying we can't do much because its a global issue. The amount of introduced animals completing against and killing native animals is shocking (Im currently doing a big lap and see it every day). The amount of roadside rubbish is disgraceful and embarrassing. The amount of deforestation over the last 200 years is much worst that I realised and not all of it has resulted in good agricultural land just bare ground.
    Maybe we should be asking the big multinationals that are coming for our resources to plant a few million trees, spend a few million on rubbish collection and take care of our feral animals.
     
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    Roadside rubbish and feral animals are huge problems, but not in the scope of what we are talking about.

    In Australia, we can't even agree that global warming is a problem. Sure, those who realise how big the problem is should do something about it. But as long as you have a large vocal minority trying to stick their fingers in their ears and hands over their eyes, it's going to be very hard to get action here, let alone anywhere else.

    The multinationals are ripping out rainforest to support agriculture in a big way. I can't see them putting up their hands either.
     
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