Climate Change Scenario

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Angel, 13th Oct, 2018.

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  1. Angel

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    Yeah the usual clap-trap. The climate has been changing on planet Earth since Adam was a boy. It’s been hotter and it’s been colder. When I was a boy the headlines were about the coming Ice Age. :rolleyes:

    Apparently the N &S poles are soon to be reversed- and this too has happened a number of times in the planet’s history. Thinking you can do anything about it is akin to going down to the beach and trying to hold the tide back with a stick.
     
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    Who likes the cheap waterfront land on the Gold Coast?
     
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    Didn't Tim Flannary buy a water front property and did Julia G buy at Brighton Beach SA?
     
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    Speaking of the perception and religion of climate change, could it be the reason why Tasmania is doing so well in the property market?
     
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    I still have hope humanity will figure it out. We have done that with Chlorofluorocarbons and hopefully eventually do it with Carbon as well.
     
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    Rumour has it that Vail Resorts are to buy Mt Hotham & Falls Creek leases. They currently own the Perisher leasehold.

    Still money to be made on snow :)

    (Someone had to bring property into the discussion)
     
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    Partly. Same with nz
     
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    Reducing carbon emissions has many benefits even if you don't believe in human caused climate change
     
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    Been quite the year unfortunately- last summer was Australia's hottest on record, that gave way to one of our worst droughts on record, and then onto an unusually early fire season. Can't put down any one of these events to climate change but unfortunately we're looking at a future where all 3 are increasingly common and intensify.

    Science and reality are not a 'religion'. As the real world consequences of climate change louden above the background climate variability for all to see, denial will persist only within a shrinking minority. There's no difference between the various flat-earther movements in existence and those that espouse climate denial- at their core both rely on pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories.

    A snapshot of Australia's changing climate by the CSIRO. Of interest here is the pattern of reduced rainfall over southern Australia in the cooler months (of significance to longer bushfire seasons) and the increased rainfall in parts of northern Australia (a warmer atmosphere does hold more moisture)

    Australia's changing climate - CSIRO

    Note none of the above is political.
     
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    There are many scientists who disagree with the science or who have different takes on why global warming occurs. Then there are others who question what to do about it. Unfortunately anyone who dares to disagree with the current push about climate change is called a denier or a climate heretic. There is big money to be earned out of climate change from the government.
    I don't really want to get into too much detail and debate about this or get abused except to say that I think climate change is being used a political tool. Its been around since Adolf Hitler and the Nazis wanted to get wind power going and then again in the 1970's with the Swedes then again after the cold war ended. The other thing is about the doing part. Is the whole world going to stop using coal fired energy and go to solar and wind and live like ancient times, or at least change the way they live, I'm not so sure about this. These are intermittent power sources. I think the very rich countries with abundant natural energy like thermal with small populations possibly could, Don't forget that currently here in Australia we pay 3 times the amount for our electricity compared to China and countries like Africa, well they cant develop their economies with expensive renewables. I have heard that there has been some work done with algae as a potential clean energy so maybe the richer countries may look into this further. Nuclear seems to be an unpopular thing with many countries, particularly the Germans, although I have read that for the next 20 years they will be buying energy from France and Norway while they work out what to do themselves as solar seems not to have been the success that they hope.
    Anyway, lets go with the climate change narrative sentiment, as most are being taught, and the question I ask from a property investment point of view is do you think this is a now a major driver in where to invest. Are you more likely to go now to Tasmania or even South Island of NZ to buy your sanctuary. Are the warmer cities off limits to you now?
     
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    The number of scientists who disagree with climate change is exceedingly small. Those that do are almost always either paid by fossil fuel companies or conservative think tanks. Their findings and falsifications have all been easily contradicted by actual peer-reviewed science, and that is all one should be concerned about here in terms of reliability- the gold standard that is peer reviewed.
    How many scientific organisations are there that argue against anthropogenic climate change? I'll save you some hassle: the answer is 0. Also ask yourself why the FF lobby has had to rely on thoroughly discredited frauds like Lord Monckton to advance their agenda rather than actual scientists.

    With that established we are now left with 2 possible scenarios - either A) 97% of the world's scientists and 100% of the world's scientific organisations are in on a grand conspiracy to fool us or B) the science they practice is erroneous and they are mistaken.

    The problem with A is that it is practically and logistically impossible. In reality successful conspiracy theories are exceedingly rare and only work when they involve very few people on as few operational levels possible, otherwise they are quickly exposed. All these scientific organisations would at all times be actively doctoring/falsifying millions of lines of independent data to support their agenda, spending relentless energy and effort making sure all the worlds' scientists, and budding scientific students, selflessly tow the line on this lie. They'd also need to do this while maintaining an elaborate network of communication to make sure their lies fit observed phenomena and each others' publicly available findings (which by coincidence match the warming we are seeing in reality).

    The big money lies with the FF companies and conservative think tanks that have sought, somewhat successfully, to cast confusion over science and reality. As for the 'denier' or 'climate heretic' badge, there really is only one side to this issue because the one that relies on pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories has been thoroughly discredited over and over and over again. Climate denialism belongs in the same discredited bucket as the anti-vaxer cause, 9-11 truther theories and flat earth.


    Ex-science journalist Potholer54 does a great video on the scientists that don't buy into climate change.
     
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    Ok, could you please explain how these climate scientists intend to make global warming go away ? Do you think that the whole world is going to switch to intermittent solar and wind energy. China is building lots of coal fired power stations in the next 5 years, Africa will need to use cheap energy to develop their economy and India won't go renewable as well because it is way too expensive. Australia is paying 3 times for the cost of its energy than what China does. Wind and solar energy is extremely expensive technology. You could spend a quarter of the money on improved nutrition, birth control and education and get better outcomes for the world than climate environmentalism.
    The thing with Co2 is that from 1900 to 1940 when there was minimal industrialisation the planets temperature grew significantly, From 1940 to 1975 when industrialisation ramped up and Co2 increased rapidly the planet actually cooled for 3 and half decades and scientists thought we were heading into a mini ice age. So the facts don't fit the theory. Co2 only accounts for 0.54 percent of gases of our atmosphere.
    You suggest that scientists who disagree with man made global warming are conservative think tanks or FF supporters and in response I say that those who are pushing climate change narrative are anti capitalist extreme left or far right totalitarians. In a short space of time we have gone from global warming, to climate change, then to climate emergency and now climate catastrophe. Its an attempt to scare and intimidate individuals who disagree, its social engineering. Global warming is a science that was introduced for political purposes. Its a biased form of science being funded by massively wealthy foundations.
    Another thought, when you say that zero scientists fit into disagreeing with the notion that humans cause most of global warming I disagree with that point. A big part of warming and cooling is from the sun's solar winds and the impact of cloud formation, hence green housing effect. If we had no greenhouse solar activity would bounce off the earth and the planet would freeze. The thing is sometimes its better to walk alone in the right direction than walk with the heard over the cliff.
    As I said before there are many views on climate change
     
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    Buy property in Tasmania.

    Yes soon as in the next 10,000 years or so
     
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    Serveman I can see where this is going so will reply to your post via PM when I get a chance.
     
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    Why bother?
     
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    Ok Thanks, talk later.
     
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    And views have the weight as peer reviewed, falsifiable science. I see.
     
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    Depends who the peers are.
     
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