CIP... Industrial

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  1. MTR

    MTR Well-Known Member

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    How do I start, I want to look at this as possibly diversifying from resi


    Any help welcome
     
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    You'll need to set some parameters for starters:

    • Leased or vacant?
    • Single or Multiple tenants
    • If leased, type of tenant (Govt, A Grade, P/L or Sole trader?
    • WALE or length of lease remaining
    • Which state?
    • Urban or rural?
    • Budget
    • Size
    • OTP, Old or new/newish
    • ........
     
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    I understand
    looking for safe, lower risk, leased, quality tenant


    Is this possible at this price ??
    $2-3 M
     
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    @MTR - Depends on the location, market sector, wind direction etc
     
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    Pay @Beano to be your consultant :cool:
     
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    That'd only be a ground lease in some second rate nation which you can't get into or out of and need to be a native, a permanent resident or partnered with same.
     
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    There are commercials and commercials. Some that need a lot work but lots of upside eg the IM I posted on Longburn brought at 11% net yield 12 mths later 21% then there are others like mine 6.4% 14 years later still 6.4% no work no upside you can generate.
     
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    That's NZ :p
     
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    @MTR - something like this may tick a few boxes: linky

    Just off the main drag in Wollongong.

    Will sell on a strong yield, probably around 2.5-3.5% nett

    Something like this spread over several shops but I don't see this being a great site (below grade/concealed, no parking at front etc).

    Multi-unit resi in Newcastle

    Won't be cheap
     
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    is this a strong yield 2.5-3.5 nett
    This is like resi??
     
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    That's nett not gross returns.

    Land value is lower than resi, so less liability for land tax as well.
     
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    But i would think 7% net min otherwise whats the point?
     
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    So 3-4% above the interest rate. Not gonna happen with a secure tenant, either purchase vacant or develop but then you're dealing with a greater % for risk.

    This is a 5%: linky
     
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    Thx for link

    So what has happened in the days of Dazz these Higher yields achievable, even if buying with tenant in place at around 8%

    Why has this changed I am gobsmacked and would not expect anyone to buy with such low yields as CIP more risk in the main??
     
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    Return is comprised of demand, growth, risk, interest, competition etc.

    In the last 10+ years interest rates have dropped to record lows (pull out 5-6% of returns), competition has increased due to larger pool of investors (super funds with a few spare $M), knowledge (internet) etc.

    The better the site, the tighter the yield - you will get capital growth over time either through change of use/zoning or scarcity (location/proximity to transport etc).
     
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    When I was young (4yrs ago) I could get 6.4-6.5% net yield on land only deals :p
    Funded at 4.2%
     
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    Ok
    This makes sense now

    thx, but not good for me
     
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    The other option is to develop: risk + risk + risk.

    This will give a much greater return - Buy land at the right price/zoning/location, build the right product at the right price, lease at a premium.
     
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    no thanks
     
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    Could also look at the leased sites, crunch your numbers and lowball it regardless to achieve the desired return. ;)
     
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