China Growing Influence

Any one concerned about this, they are still a totalitarian state that suppresses dissent. More and more of our politicians seem to be willing to sell their souls to keep China happy. Bending over backwards making allot of concessions.

 

Yes - have a read of the book 'silent invasion'.
Chinese spys have been infiltrating Australian since the 1990s at least. Plus you have locals who are puppets of the chinese state.

 

Won't get many responses here - many still have to be careful about family members back home and we have our very own unabashed representatives right here in PC.

 

The U.S has been spying on other countries for years and trying to influence governments all over the world .
Toppled more than a few governments and put a few puppets up in their place , all in the name of democracy , and stuff buried in the ground or due to strategic locations.

Sure ,if people feel quite strongly about China we can stop trading with then and just go back to being the "white trash of asia".
Not sure how that would affect our wealth if we stopped selling our iron ore to them and tried to find an alternative buyer, or they decided to go elsewhere.

 

There are lots of reasons to be concerned about China. Their antics in the South China Sea show how much they respect other nations or international law. Let alone their attitudes toward Taiwan, Tibet etc. As their economic and military power continues to grow there will no doubt be interesting times ahead. Hopefully we can stay onside with them.

Don't get me wrong I am talking about their political agenda, not the Chinese as a people. There are lots of Chinese individuals I have a great deal of respect for. Plus there are lots of Western countries that don't have the best track record either!

 

It is concerning. And the fear among some of the Chinese community in Australia is staggering. I have a lot of friends who are either Chinese migrants or family. And some of them constantly talk about the abuse their relatives, parents and so on get in China.

 

Thats why the recent scam to chinese populace here has been so successful . Scammers ringing up claiming to be Chinese police asking students for payments of 'fees and penalties'. Scammers so convincing, that in one case their phone number traced back to be similar to what a local police in Shanghai could've had. Once they get some kid on the hook it escalated and asked the kids go somewhere a few days without contact with anyone. During that time scammers call the parents in China and ask for ransom payment. Get the kid to take selfies to send etc. Its pretty unbelievable but I think fear for authority/police and general acceptance of corruption helped this con

 

They must be calling a hell of a lot of people. 2 people in my office received calls today. Caller Id was for chinese embassy.

 

That reminds me I keep getting a sydney number calling my mobile with a recorded voice in Chinese. It starts off 'ni hao' and then rambles on for about 30 seconds before repeating again.

Anyone getting these calls?

 

Not sure if it was from a Sydney number.... but I was getting something like that.

 

It’s a scam pretending to be the Chinese embassy... google the number

 

This must be one of the most prolific scams. The scale is quite impressive.

 

Got one a while ago

 

Is China becoming more influential? Definitely. Is it going to take over? I doubt it.

Australia is one of the least multi-cultural countries in the developed world so we have a long way to go in a lot of aspects.

 

Business is the driver of this short termism. I’ve been following for years now but the speed of change has been a surprise. Broadly held ( in the West) expectations of the direction of China, towards liberalism have been totally wrong.

There is some very dodgy logic going around ; America bad, therefore China good. No, it’s not like that. In America there is rancorous discourse. It’s ugly, but that’s democracy. In CCP China there is Orwellian suppression and self censorship. Having visited a lot over the years, the slow move to a quite aggressive form of nationalism is apparent. I don’t know how this plays out, but we are in a fundamentally different strategic landscape and Pax Americana looks to be over.

A difficult place for an open, middle power to be in....we are very open to manipulation, look at the recent weaponised narrative around any criticism of CCP China being “racism”. Now nobody wants to talk about it for fear of being labeled, job done. Looking down the road a bit, I do have concerns..I expect a bumpier road ahead.

I wouldn’t want to be having to make decisions balancing trade and our long term national interests (sovereignty)...many sleepless nights in DFAT / Defence i would imagine.

 

I thought it was one of the most multi-cultural countries in the developed world



One in four of Australia’s 22 million people were born overseas; 46 per cent have at least one parent who was born overseas; and nearly 20 per cent of Australians speak a language other than English at home

“While the Census provides plenty of info on the ‘typical’ Australian, it also shows we’re a big, diverse community. There’s nothing typical about Australians.“ Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2016 Census.

 

I did the last time, but nothing. Perhaps they are changing numbers now.

 

I think as China becomes an advanced developed nation it will follow the path of Russia (only without an economic collapse on the way). Neighbors will suffer, and no one will be able to do anything about it. But overall it would be contained to the immidiate neighbourhood and the countries where Chinese make a large chunk of population like Singapore and Malaysia.

 

Sounds like a list based on idigenous languages, rather than acceptance of other cultures under the national umbrella. Canada will always put themselves first but we're way ahead of them. Sounds Canadian.

But the point is more about fear of speaking up about this being Australia and of Australian citizens having Australian values. Like saying anything about Australian values is now racist or at least, not allowed. Our inability to call a spade a spade (or a spy a spy) for fear of looking unsophisticated has paved the way to infiltration. Now even the relevance of dual citizenship amongst politicians is being questioned. As I heard someone comment: multicultural; not multi-national. Please