Can bank refuse remortgage?

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  1. evalord

    evalord Well-Known Member

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    ... going through refinancing P&I with bank of sydney.

    Loan to value ratio: 50%

    Situation: current PPOR loan is fully offset. I plan on using the funds later for investment. Bank wants to know exactly when.

    Problem: I don't have a crystal ball. Could find a suitable investment tomorrow or in 2 years.

    Can they refuse my application because they might not make money?

    Broker said he's never come across this before..
     
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    50% LVR with money in offset or without ?

    Because 50% LVR with offset could mean when you draw that money out for other purposes it could be 60-90% LVR

    I guess they need for their documentation customers on lvr 50% with XXX offset but plan to draw out offset in the next 12, so we just use 70% LVR for loan accessment or whatever the draw down maybe
     
  3. jazzsidana

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    Unless for other reasons, they won't refuse the application coz you don't have the exact date..

    You just need to let them know what's the reason to release the equity and rough timeline for next purchase. If it takes longer, so be it..

    We just refinanced clients investment property and released equity for future investment.

    Client hasn't found investment property yet but is actively hunting.

    Cheers,
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    You want to borrow their money and they can refuse to lend it to you.
     
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    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

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    Did the bank ask what you're doing with your savings, or was the information offered? I wonder if it has more to do with the fact you've disclosed you'll eventually be taking on additional debt (it would be the assumption, if you're buying another IP), than the fact the loan will be fully offset.
     
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    evalord Well-Known Member

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    50% equity, 50% debt which is fully offset by the offset account.
     
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    evalord Well-Known Member

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    So this was the conversation minus some pointless banter.

    Broker: I just called the Bank Of Sydney and they said they are wanting to confirm what you intend to do with the money in the offset account?

    Me: Another property, shares, other investments. Not 100% sure yet. Need to get some financial advice.

    Broker: Do you know when you are likely to strat using the funds.

    Me:
    Sorry no idea yet.
    Is the way I'm going to spend the money in offset going to affect my loan approval?
    why they're so keen to find out.

    Broker: Because they won't really make anything from the transcations until you use your funds and that's why they are asking the question.

    Me: Does it help if I said within 6 - 12 months? I really don't know..

    Broker: Yeah, they be a lot happy with that.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Most strange, I have never had a lender ask that before.
     
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    It's hard to give an opinion without the full picture. But I can't really see the part that says they are refusing. Are they 'refusing' to give you a loan or did they just ask some questions about your offset funds?

    It is not uncommon for lenders to ask questions about things which YOU may deem not specifically related to the actual loan itself. Like items appearing on your credit card statements or questioning spending habits for example. They are just trying to understand your character. It helps them build a profile on you so they are better informed.
     
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    With lenders now starting to not pay for loans that are offset, maybe BoS is taking it a step further and not writing them?
     
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    I was asked this question.
    The offset was a small equity split loan. At the time I was wanting to do another split.
     
  12. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    I have.

    Often that comes out where the lender wonders why you need to borrow more cash ......

    Because under the new cif concepts it's immoral and unethical to lend a client more than their very immediate needs.

    Ta

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    It's common practice with most lenders these days esp big four..

    Cheers,
     
  14. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    That makes sense. If you have money why do you need to borrow money.
     
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    Financial paternalism. Thanks Royal Commission.
     
  16. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    That concept pre dates the RC by quite a lot.

    Its been implemented by some lenders already, and will be bank wide Id say..... NOTE this is just MY possible sick interpretation.

    A not uncommon example will be

    if a client wants to borrow 500 k under planner advice and dollar cost average that at 10 k over 50 months, they "should" borrow that in chunks over no more than 30 to 60 k, that is they "should" make 8 to 15 applications to borrow the 500 k.

    Since lenders will all soon only pay broker comms and bank staff KPIs on actual used funds( with some small appeal bits), that suggests its not moral or ethical to allow a client to borrow more than they "immediately" need.

    While I understand the plan was and is sound in what its trying to achieve - prevent people being sold more money than they need ..........for many many borrowers such a thing will not provide for good consumer outcomes.

    A banker or broker can still write the 500 k loan, but not be paid for it, thus the logical extension is that such lending does not provide for good consumer outcomes.

    Im sure there will be more ethical/moral hazards such as this, while designed to protect the 90 % may hurt the 10%.

    ta
    rolf
     
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    It's a brave new world @Terry_w. The old rules don't apply.
     

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