Bullet trains

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  1. jins13

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    Hi,

    Probably will be ready by 2030 at the earliest because that's how long it takes to get anything done in Australia and the inertia for the powers to be due to them not cutting the ribbon at the completion of the project.

    But it made me think that if there is a 'super bullet trains' that can travel to Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney and it takes a reasonable commute time, how it may change the landscape for many areas. Personally for me, I wouldn't mind travelling to Canberra everyday if the trip duration is no more than 1 hour and also have a seat to work on my laptop, without any weirdos next to me.

    For now I think it's wishful thinking and even though they are talking about it at the moment, doubt anything will happen.

    I also love it how some employers promote that they offer 'work from home' arrangement but then decide not to grant it!
     
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    Everyone keeps talking about this idea of commuting super quick between Canberra and syd/Melb .....but at what cost?

    This is expensive infrastructure.

    Tickets aren't going to be a $5 swipe with myki/Opal card..
     
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    Agreed that the cost of the trip is not going to be a cheapie $5, unless you jump the turnstile, which then becomes free but at a risk of an infringement.

    Personally for me, if it's somewhat reasonable, will consider doing the trip due to the employment opportunities and wouldn't be doing the trip if it didn't lead to a promotion or it was a promotion for me to bother making the trip in the first place.

    I think instead of talking about it, I reckon that something needs to be done or else it'll end up costing alot more in the future.
     
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    THIS. THIS. THIS.

    Can this stop being brought up every second month now? We're small population in a huge area, we don't need it.
     
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    How about a VIP casino in the Simpson Desert?
     
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    it also not sustainable, not sure there will be a point if the government needs to subsidies. australia major cities are so far apart but habitat by so few people. only small population will do inter-city travel daily to justify the cost.
     
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    If you want to start a thread about that I will contribute. Promise, jin pal.
     
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    With the extra security screening at airports you may reach your destination in the bullet train while still waiting to board an aircraft?? (I know some security will be for trains at that stage but less than airports).

    Japan, bullet trains started 1964.........
     
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    It's true that our population growth may not substantiate the appeal for a bullet train today, but would like to consider it as an option for the future. Anyway, for me it's wishful thinking and doubt that anyone will consider taking it forward.
     
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    Perhaps it would make more economic and social sense to run bullet trains from Sydney and Melbourne to their major satellite cities to be later extended to Melb., Syd. and Brissy
     
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    Even then I doubt it. We just don't have the density to make it work.

    It works its ass off in Japan because there are 130 million people living in a place with HALF the area of NSW....that is a pretty solid business case right there.

    With Hyperloop, NBN, tele-working, Self driving cars and decentralisation all on the horizon....high speed trains just doesn't cut it in terms of risk vs reward in Australia.
     
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    We have a great history of infrastructure cost overruns in Australia, like the NBN. What is likely to happen is, that if it does go ahead, it will be proposed as a train to the premises (tttp) solution, which will get watered down to a train to the node (tttn); a change of government will see that nothing more than a train to the terminal (tttt) amongst outcry from the outgoing government that their grand vision is but a shadow of what was originally intended.
     
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    Stone me if you must.

    A fast train to Sydney/Canberra/Melbourne/Brisbane doesn't need to go to the CBD. Use a hub like Parramatta (say at Westmead/Blacktown or Liverpool) or Essendon or Tweed Heads then conventional express service to the city.
     
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    Why is Canberra always included in these train discussions? It's in the middle of nowhere.
     
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    I will throw the first stone. Sydney to Tweed Heads in a jiffy and then another 4 hours on a bus to Brisbane??
     
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    A lot of people travel there for meetings. But the train is just dopey. Especially if it terminates at Liverpool or something and then people have to stand around waiting for another train to get them into the city. If I have a meeting in Canberra (or even Melbourne) I can easily get down and back in the same day. That won't happen on a train. Not even close. A few people might do it once for the novelty, but that's all.
     
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    A very fast train could easily compete with air. But it will (at least initially) be built and run by the govt which will mean it will take an hour just to get to the outer burbs of the city.
     
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    Trains wouldn't have the flexibility flights do. If I'm travelling between Brisbane and Sydney there's a flight every 30 mins peak or 1 hour off peak, and that's just one airline. A train might be twice a day at best.
     
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    Let's say the time taken getting on the train (or the transfer train) and getting to the edge of the city is the same as the time taken to get through screening at the airport and onto a plane.
    That train then needs to get to Melbourne in close to the hour and a half it takes a plane to do the trip. And there would need to be trains leaving at intervals of 30 minutes at the most.