Brick veneer = poor insulation?

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  1. ms420

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    Saw a house today which is single brick and advised that it is called Brick veneer. Appreciate thoughts on whether Brick veneer could result in poor insulation and hence the house could get very hot in summers and very cold in winters?

    Also, there was no gas on the property and no ducted air conditioning. As gas was available on the street, I was advised that it may cost about $2200 and ducted air conditioning about $20k. Do the rough quotes make sense?
     
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    I'd take brick veneer over fibro cladding any day of the week. A brick wall is 90mm thick. That's like wearing a fur coat.

    If you want better go full brick but you'll pay more.

    Those quotes sound excessive. I'd go shopping around.
     
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    Newer brick veneer houses will have insulation between the brick and the plasterboard - older houses may not. My 1960s house in Melbourne did not.
     
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    Actually it’s not a fur coat at all, more like wearing a T-shirt. Reverse brick veneer is where we should be, it’s just people keep with the same old tired thinking. Same with double brick...it’s like people keep thinking they only have the choice of straw, sticks or bricks
     
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    The house is inside out..., insulation should be on outside, thermal mass inside, could do away with plaster board if you wanted.
     
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    The external cladding is a wet wall, no you can't get rid of the internal lining.
     
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    I guess it depends on what you consider the internal wall. there are a number of sip panels or insulated cladding the offer an integrated board that do everything.
     
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    Well at least brick veneer look better.

    But, on 40+ degree day, if you walk into the lobby of an old 1970s style, 3 storey walk up unit block, you will notice how remarkable the difference in temperature is.

    Yes, I realise those units are full brick but it does demonstrate the insulating power of bricks.
     
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    Gas in no longer cheap. . . especially compared to reverse cycle units.

    A total of $22,200 and ongoing bills for the meter is a lot of money with no ongoing savings.

    For our two bedroom house we have got rid of the gas. We just have two split systems.
     
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    the insulation comes from the air gap, not because of the magic of brick. it is accepted building science that bricks for the most part are a terrible insulator.
     
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    That’s due to the air gap, not the bricks as such! The bricks absorb heat and the ‘still air’ gap acts as an insulator is the same way batts trap air to stop that heat being radiated into the house so quickly.

    But once both layers of brick warm up after several days of heat, it can take days to cool down inside the house.

    Internal brick can also make it hard and expensive to heat in winter - if there is no sun coming in to the room to heat the thermal mass for free...
     
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    OK, I have done a little research online and the views expressed online do concur with yours.

    But there are other factors that make a brick veneer house better like, erh, they are more bullet proof than other cladding.
     
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    B6A61901-0087-4C61-9D28-C26CEA9EC495.jpeg A useful diagram which shows the different types of construction and insulation.
     
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    OK

    You can hose the walls down.

    That's were a nice cosy fire place comes into play.
     
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    Bring back Mr Fluffy! lol.
     
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    Totally concur, it's too hard to get the blood splatter off more absorbent finishes.

    One of the 3 little pigs was in the know ;)
     
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    SBV is pretty much the norm for houses in Melb, except in more recent times when they look like they are built of ply wood and polystyrene,,,,, definitely not bullet proof - probably not very burglar proof either! (just kick you way through?)

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    Brick veneer is best.

    No, you do not make sense, and I would happily tell you if I was dealing with you, you kick tyres yeah ?
     
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    why would you attack the wall, when you can get multiple other ways: windows, doors (Inc Garage door). with sips you're unlikely to kick it in and more than likely the brick would give before sips.
     
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    Many thieves are not overly endowed with grey matter, so anything is possible :)
     
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