BREAKING NEWS: Unlimited dwellings, minimum garden space in residential zones (Melbourne)

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  1. Aaron Sice

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    6000, 6003, 6004, 6006, 6050.....
     
  2. .JDM

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    Any update on where this process is going? I am still unsure why the Vic govt took this step. Some one said the other day, time to buy share in lift companies as the govt wants people to go to higher floors as they age. How is this going to benefit anyone is unsure.
     
  3. Joynz

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    There is a lot of supporting documentation and explanation in Plan Melbourne and associated documents.

    Look it up on the planning vic website.
     
  4. melbournian

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    it's all in the vic planning websites

    for 3 storeys most ppl won't build lifts just stairs though it would be slimmer. It is a great day to be an architect/town planner as more challenges to creativity.
     
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    The biggest challenge is to keep the density levels the same, despite another layer of control trying to reduce them
     
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    Are you currently going through the process?
     
  7. Tufan Chakir

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    I'm a planner and architect and yes, going through the process for a number of clients
     
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    Great to hear. Any chance you could give an example on a project of what was allowed prior, what is allowed now and how you overcome these challenges?
    I'm curious as I have a 715sq block that was allowed to build 3 townhouses on it prior to the rules in a grz1. Front and middle townhouses double storey and single rear. Now with changes I'm wondering if I can still fit 3, if I can go higher, or I'm now limited to 2.
    This was what was planned at the time.
     
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    Keeping an eye on this and had an interesting development happen. House on our street with exact same land parcel (665sqm or so ) has been advertised for sale and planning permits approved that would allow for 1 x 3 bedroom townhouse and 1 x 2 bedroom townhouse & a single level 2 bedroom villa. That seems like a lot of buildings on that land size.

    We have only one other parcel on the street, same size as mine again that has been subdivided years ago in to townhouses so not sure if the new changes made any difference.
     
  10. is_don_is_good

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    What area is that in and what are the average setbacks like in the front garden?
     
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    @is_don_is_good , it's in Hadfield in the Moreland council area. I think the set back is 9 meters
     
  12. is_don_is_good

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    A fair bit of front garden that won't count as private open space.
     
  13. Skilled_Migrant

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    @Tufan Chakir Can Ribbon driveways contribute towards garden space ?

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    Or permeable pavers in driveway / open parking spaces be considered garden spaces ?
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  14. is_don_is_good

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    To my understanding most councils won't accept the front garden or driveway as private open space. Suburbs with a big front setback can be a pain because of this.

    If you need 35% private open space on a townhouse development and you've got to adhere to a big setback from the street as well then the structure won't occupy a big chunk of the site.
     
  15. Tufan Chakir

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    I'm guessing the setback will be the average of the houses either side OR 9 metres, whichever is less
     
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    Yup, that's pretty much what i read on the Moreland council site.

    Not a small piece of land at 665sqms but still a lot of buildings to put on it!
     
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    Garden space is different to POS, it's 35%, garden space. Doesn't need to be private necessarily. Can include front setback, etc AFAIK.
     
  18. is_don_is_good

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    The POS may vary between council. Below is a portion of an email with a consultant i was speaking to about a block in Franga council.

    "You may notice that the application (in Oak Park) includes having part of the POS in the front setback. I had a pre-app meeting regarding another job (in Frankston Council) recently and argued that the POS should be in the front setback because it had a direct connection to the living areas and it was north facing but the Planner was adamant that Council would not support the proposal."
     
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    don't ppl wish they are in the growth zone now ?
     
  20. GoldCoastBound

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    So what’s the difference between land zoned GRZ3 and land zoned RGZ ?

    Thanks