Bookkeeper for property investing

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  1. Property Twins

    Property Twins Mortgage Brokers & Buyers Agents Business Member

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    How will a nail technician help?

    In all seriousness, there is a need to help with filing in general..............May be a proper email scanner that can be used to scan, name file and put in a given location with minimal effort
     
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  2. Westminster

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    It also doesn't help if you have development sites which have no tenants or during construction and therefore no PM to handle the bills - guess who has to look after those?

    @MTR I am like you - the paperwork side bore me to tears.
     
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    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    he's being funny @MsAli . A play on words that you need a nail file/filing :p
     
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    Property Twins Mortgage Brokers & Buyers Agents Business Member

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    Oh didn't realise!
     
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    I keep telling @MsAli that we cannot magically get someone to do our taxes, and giving them a shoe box of documents will cost $$$.
     
  6. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    I'm glad the spreadsheet is working well and your accountant doesn't need to see a box of papers anymore and $$$$ signs in his eyes each time ;)
     
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  7. Simon Hampel

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    I've run a paperless office for years now - filing is basically about having a system which is quick and easy to follow - but more importantly - is consistent so that when you need to go back and find something, you're not spending hours looking for it.

    This is especially true at tax time when your accountant asks you for additional documentation about some transaction - even more so if you actually get audited.

    Due to the complexities of a couple of my properties (unit block with some shared services), I've had trouble in the past with my property manager making mistakes in their monthly reports (usually because of administrative errors by their front-office staff who simply don't understand the nuances of this property - because it is different). So I have to spend the time basically re-producing my own set of monthly reports to validate the information I'm getting from my property manager and check that everything is accurate.

    I've also had really bad property managers who simply do things wrong. There's nothing I hate more than having to tell someone else how to do their own job.
     
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    We do our own record-keeping but one thing I am considering is a larger multi-function printer/scanner that does double sided paper.... our current one is small and only does single side. I'm keen to avoid the dreaded filing pile as well and would love to get to the stage of a paperless office....
     
  9. Simon Hampel

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    Do it. Get a duplex sheet feeding scanner - will save you so much time and effort.

    Personally I'm not a fan of multi-function devices (too much complexity and if one part breaks, you can find yourself needing to replace the entire unit - too costly to repair), but if space is at a premium, it might be the way to go.

    Just make sure you have a good backup strategy (offsite/cloud preferably) for all your documents - all well and good going paperless, but you need to be confident you can survive a disaster such as hardware failure!
     
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    Great info Simon....!!!! I might be set free from filing soon then.

    Do these let you name the file also? Or is that done on the PC?
     
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    Yeah, I need to do some more research. Last time I looked into it I couldn't find a reasonable cloud service that would backup from a NAS, and I haven't done anything since then. I really need to look at it again.
     
  12. Simon Hampel

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    Depends on how the device works. Usually there is software that runs on the PC and lets you initiate scanning on the device. You then get prompted to choose a filename on the PC when you save the file (make sure you save it using some portable format like PDF).

    Personally, I have an in-tray on my desk where all paperwork requiring scanning gets put. Then once every few weeks I'll go through and scan it all at once. All scanned files go into a "Scanning and filing" folder on my PC. All receipts and invoices I receive via email get converted to PDF and saved into the same folder with the filename usually in the form: "YYYYMMDD description.pdf" where YYYYMMDD is the date of the receipt/invoice - NOT the date it was scanned! This lets you sort things by date when sorted by name. Then once I've finished a batch of scanning, I'll just drag and drop all the scanned and saved files into the relevant folders for the type of file it is.

    Bank and other statements which come monthly are usually just "YYYYMM description.pdf"
     
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    A few nases (is that a word?) have their own back up utility built in
     
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  14. Simon Hampel

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    Have a look at Crashplan - depending on your NAS, you may be able to back up directly from your NAS.

    Alternatively, if you have enough storage on your local computer - just store it all in Dropbox on your local machine, have it synced to any other machines you also need the documents on, and use Crashplan to back it up to the cloud as well.
     
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  15. Simon Hampel

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    NASI ?
     
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    Yeah unfortunately mine doesn't, it's quite a few years old now.

    Will have another look at Crashplan, thanks. :)
     
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    Google Apps costs $5 a month. It gives Email account and 30G storage plus all other Google stuff like spreadsheets and calendar.
    Google drive can be installed like a folder on your PC and sync.
    Hotmail (microsoft) also does similar.
    It might be the right fit for our purpose.
    Having a dedicated email account for investment related emails isn't a bad idea.
     
  18. Westminster

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    Goreng :p