Health & Family Biggest Loser Winter 2017

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  1. devank

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    Seriously? Are you mocking us??
    I met you twice. I didn't a single bit of fat. You can easily walk into fire. There is no fat be used as oil.
     
  2. Simon Hampel

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    I made some changes in the last week - decided to try cutting out dairy for a while. The lactose heavy stuff at least, so no milk, cream and especially no icecream. I'll still eat cheese and use butter in my cooking.

    I'm already feeling better for it - energy levels are up, my snoring has improved so I'm sleeping better, I even had enough energy for a 5 hour bike ride on Sunday evening (nearly 70km - my longest ever!).

    I weighed myself Sunday morning (before my ride), I was down 0.9kg from the previous Monday (111.6kg). Then I weighed myself again Monday morning (after my ride) and I was down a further 0.9kg! (110.7kg) So 1.8kg lost for the week, which I'm pretty happy about.

    11/09/2017 - weight: 110.7kg - waist: 116.0cm

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    Interesting week. After the previous week's big losses, I packed on a few kg at the beginning of last week, but have successfully lost it all again by the end of the week. I now know what I did wrong - and I'm confident I can avoid that again.

    18/09/2017 - weight: 110.8kg - waist: 116cm

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    The chart doesn't tell the whole story - after being 110.7kg last Monday, I weighed in at 114kg on Wednesday and now back down to 110.8kg today!! So even though the chart shows I've gone backwards - I actually feel like I've made huge progress the past few days. Explanation here: My low carb weight loss journal (LCHF)
     
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    Looks like everyone else has given up now that winter is over - I'm finally making good progress now, so I'll keep documenting for a bit.

    25/09/2017 - weight: 109.0kg - waist: 115cm

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    Pretty happy with a 1.8kg drop for the week. Waist has started to shrink again too.

    More details here.
     
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    Mine's up this morning. It might have something to do with the wedding we were at on Saturday.
     
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    That'd do it!
     
  7. Kesse

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    Nope, not given up. Still tracking things though not measuring except for this morning after seeing your post :D

    A week or so ago I thought I had broken through my plateau and would see a 5 at the start of my weight where I got down to 60.2 but nope. Eating didn't change and it crept back to 61.X which is really annoying.

    I did have 2 crepes for breakfast yesterday morning with butter, double cream and a bit of maple syrup. Carbs would have been high yesterday but it was also the only thing I ate so currently sitting on a 24hr fast. Still not hungry so will eat when I start to get hungry.

    This morning I was 61.5kg. Really frustrating.
     
  8. Simon Hampel

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    Perhaps you need to try going really low carb for a while to see if that helps? I know if I have some carbs, like dessert on Wednesday night, it can take a few days to get back to where I was.

    I've had to go pretty hard core to break through my plateau.
     
  9. Kesse

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    Yeah, I have been for 3 weeks now. Some days I've had less than 10g of carbs but average less than 20-25g.

    I'm telling myself I'm losing fat and putting on muscle :D I feel a touch leaner than what I do usually I just want that 5X.X on the scales!

    Usually on the weekends I have a 'break day' where I ea whatever I want which is usually something with a bit of carbs in it but this past month I haven't been having break day except for yesterday morning.

    Will be going on a cruise for a few days next week so when we get back will just get stuck into it again and keep trying.
     
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    Right now I'd be eating under 5g of carbs most days - incidental carbs only. My butter cocoa has less than 1g, there's virtually nothing in the cheese / salami I eat. It would only be the vegetables I eat which have any carb content.

    That being said - I am using Endura Optimizer when I go for longer bike rides - that has a heap of carbs in it (60g per serve I think), but I should easily burn that and more from the exercise, so I'm not overly concerned. I'm avoiding artificial sweeteners, so I'm not really interested in trying the low carb Endura product.
     
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    Yeah, fair enough. Maybe I will need to up the ante when I get back.

    I'm concerned that if I adopt the ultra low carb (which for me isn't overly sustainable) that when I go back to normal which is ~25g a day that I'll put on weight again.

    I'm happy enough now, it's just that I set myself the goal of 50-something!
     
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    Yeah - I think it's likely that you're simply finding the equilibrium for your activity level - you may be able to lose more, but unless you either increase the amount of activity (and you're already doing quite a bit!), or keep even more tight control over the amount of carbs you eat - you may not be able to maintain it.

    I've already come to the conclusion that even once I've reached a more "ideal" weight, I'm never going to be able to go back to eating many carbs - I think my body is so good at storing carbs as fat, I'm simply going to have to avoid them unless I'm also dramatically increasing my activity levels.

    The problem with relying on activity levels to control weight is that it isn't necessarily sustainable. Injury, illness, work commitments, even just getting older (and longer recovery times) - makes it increasingly difficult to maintain higher levels of activity.

    Another factor is how much fat do you typically eat? I know I've read of some people over-doing the fat and ending up consuming more calories than they need.

    At the end of the day - you may need to find something other than weight to focus on. I don't think it's particularly healthy to get fixated on a number on the scales. Goals are fine - but if you're having to push yourself really hard to achieve something you don't necessarily need to achieve, I think you have to wonder if it is really worth it?

    Do you consider yourself otherwise healthy? Is you waist-to-height ratio well under 0.5? Have you had a full medical check done recently?

    I think "strong" is a much better goal than "light" - especially for women (and even more so the older you get).
     
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    Yep, I think it's that equilibrium I've found. I don't want to change too much what I'm doing as I do find it fairly easy to sustain and that, IMO, is what contributes to long term success.

    Hmmm, not sure re the fat. A typical eating day for me is an almond milk coffee when I wake up. Then when I get hungry (anywhere from 11am-1pm) I will have some chicken or ham and camembert without the skin. Maybe 150g of camembert and bugger all chicken or ham. Dinner varies but it's not overly ***** just the stuff that I've posted in the recipe thread. Occasionally instead of the camembert lunch I'll have some cream and blueberries - 2 tablespoons of cream usually does me. Or I will fry up some bacon and scrambled eggs which is probably the fattiest thing I have. If I snack I usually have a bite of mozeralla but I find I'm rarely snacking. Oh, and I have a dark choc lindt ball usually once a day or every other day.

    Yeah, my main focus is more body composition but I guess I also equate that to weight too which isn't always best. Ha, is it worth it? Dunno... I'd be pretty stoked to see a 5 on the scales which I haven't seen since high school. But at the end of the day feeling good and fitness is important to me which is what I've been aiming for above all else.

    Yes, I would consider myself fairly healthy. Just did my waist to height ratio and apparently it's 0.43 so that's good I take it. Got bloods done last week, have an appt wednesday morning for the results. Looking forward to that.

    Fair enough. I think I'm strong-ish but it can be improved I'd say!
     
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    Hate to tell you this, but you're not a teenager anymore :p

    That being said - I'm also aiming to get back to something approaching a photo I have of myself shortly after I started uni at age 17 (grey hairs and wrinkles notwithstanding).

    Yup - as a general health indicator it shows that you are much more likely to be "healthy" than if your ratio was above 0.5
     
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    Well, this sucks.... Got my blood test results back this morning. Everything is perfect except my cholesterol.

    Total: 6.8
    Triglycerides: 1.1
    HDL: 1.53
    LDL: 4.27

    Fortunately no other risk factors for cardiovascular disease.

    Will have to re-assess things now :(

    Dr was trying to sell me on the Mediterranean Diet. Have had a quick read and not sure it is for me but will do more reading. He also said to read up on the Lyon Study. I now have some homework to do to see if I can find a balance that suits how I eat currently and ways to lower my cholesterol.

    Not. Happy.
     
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    @Kinnon Bell - have a read through the Cholesterol Code » Reverse Engineering the Mystery website.

    I'm not sure you exactly qualify as what they call a "Lean Mass Hyper-responder" (not overweight, but show high cholesterol on a ketogenic diet ... but your cholesterol levels aren't as high as the figures they are quoting) - as per Are you a Lean Mass Hyper-responder? » Cholesterol Code

    ... either way, there is some very interesting research being done into exactly how Cholesterol works in the body (noting that it operates completely differently on a low carb diet than it does on a higher carb diet!).

    There haven't been any definitive conclusions yet - but the general consensus so far is leaning towards discounting cholesterol as a significant indicator of heart related issues - it's much more likely either something else (inflammatory illness) or completely benign (just cholesterol doing what it is supposed to do).

    Note that cholesterol is primarily an energy distribution system - that's it's prime function in the body. It could just be that you're very active while eating a ketogenic diet and so you naturally end up with more cholesterol in your system to transport triglycerides etc to the muscles.

    It could also be that you have some other kind of inflammatory illness - is there a history of Coeliac disease in your family? I was reading about the link between Coeliac disease (which causes inflammation in the body) and cholesterol (where one of the functions of the cholesterol particles is to repair damaged cells, so it's quite likely that you will see more cholesterol as a response to inflammation in the body. There are plenty of other factors which cause inflammation in the body too.

    I wouldn't give up on your way of eating just yet - it's clear from the results we're seeing from Dave Feldman's experiments that the current body of knowledge around Cholesterol in the body is woefully inadequate and needs to be reassessed.
     
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    Thanks for the links, Sim. Some interesting reading and watching - makes a lot of sense too but I'm certainly no expert when it comes to the topic and I'd like to avoid any confirmation bias coming into play as well.

    I'm feeling a bit ripped off as my grandfather always had really low cholesterol and same with my mother (who is not the healthiest person going around) so I was hoping I'd get that genetic trait!

    I do have several family members with (diagnosed) Coeliac disease but that's from an Aunty via marriage. I had been tested for it in the past and have come back with the indicators for it but nothing was confirmed. In my early 20's I did have a lot of gut issues where, at one stage, they thought I had Crohn's disease but after months of exams and tests received no official diagnosis. It was put down to the business I owned at the time. Sold business and gradually got better but still do have gut issues from time to time.

    Yeah, not giving up just yet - still have a lot more reading and educating myself on the topic to do. I've finally found a way of eating that makes me feel good and works so I am really hesitant to stop that. I think I'd rather happy healthy Kinnon with high cholesterol than fat, unhealthy Kinnon with low cholesterol.....
     
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    Coeliac testing is known to show false negatives, so don't discount it completely - more advice / testing likely required.

    The biggest problem is that if you're already eating low carb, you're naturally not going to eat much in the way of gluten - so there may not be enough gluten in your system to trigger a response for an accurate reading anyway. My understanding is that it's not necessarily an instant thing either - (ie it's not a case of "you eat bread, you then have a positive response") - it can take a while for the tests to become more conclusive.

    My wife is currently gluten loading (I think a minimum of 2 slices of bread a day was the instruction) for a couple of months before she takes another test to see if she has coeliac (there is family history) - as she previously had a negative response but specialist wants a more definitive result to complete rule it out (or not).
     
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    Yep, this test would have been done about 10 years ago when I wasn't eating low carb at the time but under Dr's advice to avoid gluten.

    Blood test came back positive but biopsy came back negative. But yeah, didn't make much sense to me at the time as I was avoiding gluten so thought there might have been some kind of indicator as opposed to you eat gluten then test the villi.

    But you're right - by eating low carb I generally avoid gluten by default and I do know when I have something with gluten in it I feel really crappy afterwards and regret what I eat :D
     
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    There is some good reading on cholesterol that makes a lot of sense to me:

    "Cholesterol is so vital to the body that our bodies make it. The body cannot risk leaving it to chance that we would get it externally from food or some other external factor – that’s how critical it is.

    There is no such thing as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Cholesterol is cholesterol. The chemical formula for cholesterol is C27H46O. There is no good version or bad version of this formula.HDL is not even cholesterol, let alone good. LDL is not even cholesterol, let alone bad. HDL stands for High Density Lipoprotein. LDL stands for Low Density Lipoprotein. (There are three other lipoproteins, by the way, chylomicrons, VLDL and IDL)."

    We have got cholesterol completely wrong – Zoë Harcombe

    Cholesterol & heart disease – there is a relationship, but it’s not what you think – Zoë Harcombe

    Worried about cholesterol and/or statins – Zoë Harcombe

    tagging @Simon Hampel

    EDIT: adding a new study:

    "This new study can be added to the mounting pile of scientific evidence showing that the causal link between heart disease and cholesterol — a waxy, fat-like substance that performs literally thousands of bodily functions — is a weak one, and there are other important health factors to consider. What's more, this finding could further dissuade researchers from using HDL-raising drugs (such as Torcetrapib) to treat heart disease. As clinical trials have repeatedly shown, these drugs simply don't work as prescribed."

    There's No Such Thing As 'Good Cholesterol' Says Pivotal New Study