Best use of Funds - Offset or Shares

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  1. Tony

    Tony Well-Known Member

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    OK,

    So trying to get my head around this and I think I have the understanding right but just wanted to check amongst the forum.

    What is the best use of excess funds - Offset or Shares?

    Now I know its not a perfect world but for the sake of comparison, some assumptions need to be made

    IP Loan of $500,000 at 5% with $100,000 in an offset means you are paying interest on $400,000 or $20,000 a year. Is it correct to say that the $100,000 is flat and doesn't rise with inflation?

    Now take that offset and invest in Fully Franked Aus Shares paying 3.8% Dividend and has a expected capital growth of just 1%. The extra interest you pay by not having these funds in the offset is $5000, but the income you receive is $5,430 and capital growth (something you don't get when it is in the offset) is $100, so you are ahead by $530 p.a.

    I know there are views of property vs shares and there are risks associated with each, but is my understanding of the above correct?

    Thanks all
     
  2. The Y-man

    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    I take a hybrid path - I use AREIT (share in commercial property).
    There are some that pays over 6% pa income.

    I use this income to pay the interest, and also pay down loan.

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  3. Swuzz

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    1% of 100,000 is 1,000, not 100.

    Also wouldn't your dividend income be $3,800 ?
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Don't forget the interest could be deductible if the loan is an investment.
     
  5. Tony

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    3.8% grossed up is 5.43%

    You are right on the 1% of $100,000 = $1,000. Must have missed a zero. thanks
     
  6. Tony

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    Yep - loan is Investment. I understand that the interest payable against the loan should be offset by the income from the shares
     
  7. Tony

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    Care to share so that I may look into these? Thank you
     
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    Swuzz Well-Known Member

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    ^ citation needed

    Re REIT check out CIP CMW & BWR plus whatever Y-man has for you
     
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    Many thanks all
     
  10. The Y-man

    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    Think of it as part ownership or joint venture in one or (usually) more commerical properties such as office blocks, factories, warehouses and large shopping centres.

    Please see my posts in:
    Retirement advice - sell IP's and what to do with proceeds?

    The Y-man
     
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  11. Alex Straker

    Alex Straker Financial Life Coach Business Member

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    Both, reduce NTD first, then adjust loans, then re-invest spare equity created (TD purpose debt recycling).

    No advice
     
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  12. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    This may be the best way, but it would depend on the circumstances. He maybe holding the cash for a future main residence purchase for example.
     
  13. Alex Straker

    Alex Straker Financial Life Coach Business Member

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    Yep all true Terry :)

    As you and I know there are other more extended answers with further leverage all sorts of great bells and whistles too ;)

    Just noticed also in the OP the offset is for IP & deductible, sorry in my previous answer I missed that and thought it was NTD so would be clearly more beneficial if that was the case.
     
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