NSW Badgerys Creek Airport is ago!

Hopefully the delay in the airport and the road are congruent.

I'm investing in a donkey.

 

At triple the price. Right now, you'll land at BC, get on a shuttle bus to St Mary's and then catch a train to the city. Hashtag # I **** you not!

Imagine flying into Incheon or Seoul or Changi and ... actually, never mind - they plan for 30-50 years advanced capacity. We plan for assets to be redundant at the ribbon cutting. Just look at the M2 , the M5, the M4. The M anything. The North West Rail Link. The BC Airport. And all paid for with PPP's. Very little Govt expenditure. Infrastructure in Oz is a rort. The only thing they ever built in Sydney with sufficient future capacity was the now 100 year old sydney rail network and the Harbour Bridge. If they were building either today, the sydney rail network would be light rail to the inner west and east, and the bridge would be 2 lanes each way, emptying onto a single lane arterial road with traffic lights every 100 metres.

One day, in a fantasy world, a politician will get to the PM's chair and be unafraid of his left or his right , look down the camera lense and say to the public. Im going to issue lots of debt/borrow lots of money. Im going to establish a non political , non partisan authority to plan nation building projects across a 20 + year horizon, so it wont matter who is in Govt- this stuff will get built without fear or favour. They will have a mandate to irrigate the other side of the great dividing range and develop massive food production capabilities. To tunnel under the ranges and link the central west and outback with the east coast via high speed rail. To build high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne, and eventually up to Brisbane, all in an effort to open up vast areas for rural living, with ultra fast transit to the city centre for work, to absorb a far larger population. Im going to incentivise companies to relocate to these areas with tax breaks. There will be transport, water and industry. For that though, you need someone totally unafraid. bring back keating! This lot - all of them from all sides - weak as can be.

Dr Ken Henry says we need to build a new city the size of Canberra every year or two, moving forward. I dont like our chances, at all.

 

Yeah, try getting to or from CBD at peak time ....fantastic, just what you need after a long flight, first impressions of Australia ? backward

The roads to and from the SW are already overloaded, they put in an extra lane for part of the M5 when it should have been 4 extra each way, this is not infrastructure, this is a patch on a band aid.

Could not run a chook raffle at a steggles factory.

Yeah, but you need to go East OBI WAN , East !

North to Penrith, then what, fight for a spot on a train among the commuters from Penrith and the mountains. Bahhhh

Oh, and sometime between now and the opening they will have a freight interchange at moorebank too, chocka block with trucks carrying containers from Port Botany.

 

@euro73 please call MT.

 

Why would anyone catch a plane to BC if they want to go directly to the CBD? You dont catch a plane to Maroochydore when you want to go to Brisbane and you dont catch a plane to Geelong when you want to go watch the Footy in Melbourne. Wouldn't it be for freight and for those living in the country or far west to get out of Sydney without having to use the existing airport?

 

Why the assumption that everyone that flies to Sydney is going to the CBD?!
The west is growing and as mentioned above by many, traveling from the Sydney to the western suburbs is a nightmare. Plus, that would mean a little less congestion for sure since anyone who lives in the west or close to the west would not have to cross half the city to get to their destinations.

 

Actually many do fly to Avalon to go to Melbourne.

 

Initially yes, but Kingsford Smith is at capacity, and the idea of Badgery's Creek is to become a 2nd international airport eventually. This is where the majority of visitors to Australia land first.

Just like NYC has JFK and Newark. Just like London has Heathrow, Stanstead and Gatwick.
Just like Chicago has O'Hare and Midway

So why build it without rail? It may not need it from the day it opens, but it will need it in time. That just means having to go back and spend a lot more later on to finish it ..... and we all know they will take 30 years to get around to it. It could have served a dual purpose as the first leg in a high speed rail line to Melbourne. CBD to Parramatta and then to BC . Then out to Goulburn. Then out to Canberra, Wagga, Albury Shepparton etc...

anyway...all a pipe dream.

 

Most people travelling to Sydney on business go to the CBD and surrounds. A lot of travellers do so for business.

Kingsford Smith is closer than BC for most Sydney residents. Those that KS is closer to are also likely to travel more.

 

With more emphasis being placed on Parramatta as the second CBD, more government departments, WSU and businesses locating themselves there, BC becomes a more logical choice.

 

KS will obviously continue to be the choice if flying in to visit the CBD, wowever Badgerys Creek will closer for around 2 million residents- which is a significant market. If you are going to the CBD obviously you choose to fly into KS, if you are returning home to Liverpool you fly into BC. Its pretty basic. Some people on this forum seem to think that it is a lucky dip where you just book a flight into Sydney and then end up at which ever airport they decide to drop you in. People will choose where they fly into and they will fly into wherever is most convenient for them

 

I'd say it would pick up some international flights pretty quickly. Not a lot, but some. Airlines that fly 3+ flights a day to/from Sydney to another city could probably have one of those go to BC. Airport charges to the airlines should be cheaper, so another incentive.

and LaGuardia

and London city

It's essential that an airport that far from the CBD have rail. Rail that is reliable, relatively cheap and regular. Bundling it with the terminal construction will be way way cheaper than tunnels and stuff 30 years later.

anyway...all a pipe dream.

 

Yes, perfectly logical. A 7 year old could have worked out this little bit of common sense but our imbecile politicians and planners won't

 

I appreciate that the rail link has so far been overlooked. It might take ten years to build the line because of the BS. But at least integrate the rail terminal into the air terminal. At the very least build the air terminal so rail can be added later at little cost.

Plan the whole thing so it can be easily upgraded later. More terminal space can be added without half demolishing the current. Plan for a second runway. I doubt any of that will happen.

 

I'm still happy with that.

 

Umm yea yea. A mate of mine has 6 acres in bringelly and got offered over $6m, and another guy I was talking to had 5acres and his sister has 51/2 acres on Camden valley way opposite the new gregory hills factory shops for $10m, sold to Eden brae.

 

What about the daily planet. Is that still there. Not a bad club getting up on the podiums dancing with the sheilas lol

 

Cause you may get no choice, I do not think people could realistically expect airlines to be running services to both airports to save the consumers time at the other end. Businesses do things according to cost


And some people here carry on as if they have all the info and plans and agreements, before the place is even running. And they think the govt is doing this for Western Sydney residents...right.

They do not even have the flight paths yet, so at the moment, you got zip, just a guess. Sorry, but I do not trust the governments to do this properly, you already have the state umming and arghing over a train line, build it already ! even if the airport did not go ahead.

How this will all operate, no one knows, it seems to me. And if your flying from OS in, I can see them using a 24 hr port, not a choice or landing at either or both.

 

They would have more than they let the pubic know.
Plans for the upgrade of the holding yard for north west rail are underway which is part of the rail link to south west and airport. So someone is planning something.
And rail still holds the trophy for "slowest decision makers" when it comes to building, so it will take time.

And didn't the EIS include flights paths? It included drafts of some kind

 

One more time....

Yeah....Nah...