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  1. HUGH72

    HUGH72 Well-Known Member

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    Reminds me of this:
    A man who is not a Liberal at sixteen has no heart; a man who is not a Conservative at sixty has no head.
    —Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881)
     
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    I was at Uni quite a while ago now but I would have to say that the socialist influence was on the fringes and not nearly as influential or respected as they wanted to be.

    Everything I've read suggests that young people tend to be more conservative that they are given credit for.

    Latest stats from the ABS suggest we have a far more youthful population than people think. The Greens have been decimated in elections lately.

    I respectfully question whether Uni students are as socialist as some would think. I do think Uni students tend to be more idealistic and are easy fodder, certainly in first year, for anyone looking to brain wash them. By second year most are much harder to manipulate and control. They may just be sheer exhaustion at discovering Uni can be hard work and spending so much energy just surviving. By second year those who are there tend to be there to learn with a massive drop out rate in first year.
     
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    That’s it, in a nutshell.
     
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    I agree with all, but would tweak the bolded bit. There is enough scope in the education budget to tweak the funding to where it is needed (again, must ignore the noisy and influential lobby groups).

    With regards to health... prevention is better than cure. We don't spend anything on promoting healthy lifestyles in this country. We wait till people get sick, then spend billions helping them, rather than millions on preventing them getting sick in the first place.

    The major sports (cricket, league, AFL, union and soccer) rake in well over 2 billion a year in TV rights and sponsorships. Very very little of that is spent on grassroots - you can't leave it to big sports administrators to do something.

    You only have to look at the NSW government still wanting to spend a couple of billion on white elephant stadiums to see where the priority lies. Meanwhile the general population keeps getting fatter and sicker.
     
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    Part of the problem is you cannot access school ovals without trespassing or arrange a semi organised kick of a ball without public liability insurance. Too much regulation.
     
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    As voter....I want to bring back National Socialism.......
     
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    Unfortunately plenty of sickness relates to genetics and age. There's a limit to minimizing health costs with healthy living programs. An awful lot of health advice can actually cause more issues than it solves as well.
     
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    As you know, I work in a govt school and specifically with students who have all sorts of health issues, learning disabilities and special needs. I have my own little untested theory that you didn't see as many of these issues fifty years ago when the miscarriage rate was so much higher and fewer premmie babies survived. The country didn't have to spend as much on health care and aged care in the olden days when people died from the flu and pneumonia, unlike now that the survival rate is so much higher. Now add a good dose of @sash 's National Socialism and you have a clear scapegoat of people to blame for all your economic woes. The Health Industry.
     
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    I'm with Angel on this one - 50 years ago people died - babies died - the elderly died - nowadays we seem to believe we need to keep them alive at all cost.
     
  10. hobartchic

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    IVF increases the risk of having a child with a severe disability up to fifty percent (depending on research, research coming out of Sweden), higher risk of a child born prematurely, ectopic pregnancy which needs emergency surgery and may increase risk of ovarian cancer.

    The success rate is between 5 to 30 per cent on average. Natural fertility programs return a success rate of 80 per cent without the risks posed by IVF or the cost. The risks to mothers can not be understated either.

    At around 10K a cycle cost to Medicare I read the government medical review board federally was considering recommending taking this out of the Medicare funding.
    Mayo clinic risks:
    In vitro fertilization (IVF) - About - Mayo Clinic
     
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    I should also add that there is a huge volume of medical knowledge for decades that supports premature children having greater risk of both physical and intellectual disability.
     
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    Thank you @hobartchic. It is common sense.
    There is always some smartie reader who expects us to quote a source.
     
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    I think I quoted enough with the Mayo clinic one. Don't want to overdo the quotes :D
     
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    There's this from the CDC (Centres for Disease Control and Prevention- USA):
    Premature Birth
     
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    You would faint if I told you how much money the Govt spends on medical services to my elderly mother. My Dad served the country in WW2 and died from old age (alzheimers) about 15 years ago. Somehow she managed to wrangle herself a DVA Gold Card due to his "medical condition sustained in the war". This is something that really irritates me.

    My husband's father, a local bus driver for most of his working years, is the same age as her and is also blind in both eyes. He gets no help at all from eye surgeons, but my mother gets $2000 per month spent on her eyes for the exact same eye disease/disability.

    My mother lives independently and has DVA services running around doing lots of nice things for her. Our step-brother resigned from his job to take full-time care of his father as he requires full time care. They don't have the $2000 a month to pay for the injections which may or may not improve his eyesight. Being an aged pensioner with no cash on hand, he has been told that we can spend heaps on specialists and surgeries but there is no guarantee it will make any difference. My mother has been receiving the surgery every year since she first got her gold card and her eyesight is no better.

    I hope this makes everyone's blood boil - there are different classes of "pensioners" in Australia.
     
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    Back to the children with disabilities clogging up your education and health budgets.

    Two students i work with, and love to pieces, cannot get around without the aid of a wheelchair. One has Duchenne's muscular dystrophy and the other nearly died at birth. She is almost blind and has cerebral palsy. Both these people are alive now due to recent medical advancements, both cost the country a fortune and both would have died in childhood had they been born to a previous generation.

    I only have a certain number of hours each week that I am paid to spend with each student. Do I spend my time making these kids's lives pleasant, teaching them life skills like cooking and banking and catching public transport, knowing they will never be employable, or do I spend time with those like myself who are employable and are not as needy? Guess what, the public wants me to spend more time with the students who use wheelchairs rather than with the ones who have social-emotional needs. You cant "see" the disability with those of us who have autism.
     
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    and this is what your quote says

    The age of the mother is the primary risk factor in the development of birth defects, no matter how the child is conceived. More research is needed to determine whether babies conceived using IVF might be at increased risk of certain birth defects. Some experts believe that the use of IVF does not increase the risk of having a baby with birth defects.
     
  18. hobartchic

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    As I said, there's research coming out of Sweden that shows that IVF may increase the risk of developmental issues by as much as fifty per cent.
     
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    It is a bit of a strange system. I don't know about my blood boiling but I would hate to have all that invasive stuff done without any benefit.
     
  20. hobartchic

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    Did you read the CDC link?