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Discussion in 'Living Room' started by bob shovel, 13th Apr, 2016.

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  1. bob shovel

    bob shovel Well-Known Member

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    Read this recently thanks to jason Silvia sharing it
    The brain on LSD revealed: first scans show how the drug affects the brain

    The default response to societies uneducated views on drugs is "drugs are bad mmmkay", along with association with junkies, crime, welfare etc but under controlled situations this sounds like it can unlock the brain. Pretty cool stuff, I'm no expert or very up to speed with they're doing but looks very interesting.
    And why not use drugs to unlock the brain, they use them to improve performance on the footy field so why not in the lab which can potentially benefit mankind

    "The findings, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), reveal what happens in the brain when people experience the complex visual hallucinations that are often associated with LSD state. They also shed light on the brain changes that underlie the profound altered state of consciousness the drug can produce"

    "We are finally unveiling the brain mechanisms underlying the potential of LSD, not only to heal, but also to deepen our understanding of consciousness itself."
     
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    At what cost to long term overall health?

    Drugs (both legal and illegal) are a very complex issue. The irresponsibility of society as a whole is a general problem that I don't see been overcome and due to this I am anti drug, at least changes that would make them more widely available to the general population. It is unfortunate that a small section of society is disadvantaged because they don't have access to meds that could potentially improve their well being.

    Substance dependence/abuse brings out the absolute worst in people.

    I work in a field where I see it first hand and wish I had even a vague idea of what would improve the situation because it is pretty bleak for some people.

    One question I would be interested in having answered. Are members of PC less inclined (in general) to substance abuse? I have wondered if the discipline and other characteristics required to invest make one less likely to over indulge in things like drugs.

    One more thing. some of the drug users I have met seemed to cope OK until something negative happened in their life, then they used a little more and it was a pretty slippery slope from there.
     
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    Before this thread gets too carried away, it's worth discarding the term drug* and instead, being specific :)

    * "Drug" is an unhelpful blanket term thrown over an enormous range of profoundly different things with very little in common. It's equivalent to discussing water, ice cream, spaghetti, avocado, bacon and walnuts by referring to them all as "food" as if they are identical.
     
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    Bacon always wins.
     
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    True.

    @Hodor i was thinking more to the controlled use rather than Joe average using/abusing it
     
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    Avocado might have something to say about this.
     
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    Taking you off my christmas card list.
     
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    Ive not seen much of a correlation between being anti drug and being productive or driven, in comparison with a social/occasional drug user. addiction naturally changes that but as has been pointed out above the blanket term of drugs isn't helpful.

    there are valid reasons for legalisation of marijuana so lumping it with say meth isn't helpful imo
     
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    like as in a BLAT?
     
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    LSD. I never thought a limited slip diff could have such an effect on people.
     
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    I was waiting for you @datto to mention the LSD on your Commo. You couldn't have done all those burnouts without one.....:p
     
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    I used to hallucinate about the old 5.8L Fairlane with LSD, then I realised that it was just a dream.
     
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    Hahaha! That's gold!

    LSD in the wet is still a challenge.
     
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    when it come to this stuff...listen to @datto . - he will be the most knowledgeable on this topic, as 99.9% of his neighbourhood probably uses it..:)
     
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    agreeD that long term heavy use of lsd can anD does have some bad side effects, i wouldnt know what % but ive seen some people suffer the side effects.

    again though that study refers to long term heavy use and still says MAY not will.

    I've never had a hallucinogen because it doesn't appeal to me but I know a lot of people who have had great experiences on it and only had it a few times.

    heavy long use of lots of things in everyday life may also lead to long term damage, alcohol, cigarettes, junk food, processed sugar, even prescribed medication.

    there are valid arguments both for and against legalisation of drugs in some form, it's far too complex a topic to have a hard line for or against black/white view imo with so many shades of gray and variables imo.
     
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    I have experienced family members and friends and have worked with people who were at some point in their lives heavy users of legal and illicit drugs. I have experienced it second hand and I know that the side affects are real.....and know that it isn't uneducated malarkey.

    You want to experiment. Fine. Go ahead. I ain't no saint.

    But to say laws and opinions are based on uneducated views, is burying your head in uneducated malarkey.
     
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    Marijuana has just been legalised in Victoria for treatment of some conditions in a non smokeable form.
     
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    It's pretty interesting.
    Imagine if it hadn't been outlawed and lumped in with other drugs and studied more openly instead. Or DMT. Or ecstasy.
    Recommend reading "The Spirit Molecule" (haven't seen the video).
     
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    When I'm retired yes. Why not.
     
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