All the tax whingers

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  1. Sackie

    Sackie Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree. My ' read between the lines' point I was making is taxing others a lot more just because they earn more is also unfair because you don't know what sacrifices they made along the way and how that (often) significantly impacted their lives.


    There comes a point where unfairly taxing your way to create great social initiatives inevitably moves us closer and closer to a socialist model . This will never make Australia a great nation imho.
     
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    It's insane.
     
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    Giving company tax back to people who are already paying no tax is equally insane.
     
  4. Noobieboy

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    Australian is a socialist system, so are most of successful countries on this planet. From Norway to the UK.

    I believe you confuse socialism with totalitarian system. There is no purely capitalist or communist country, these systems don’t work. Majority of countries settled on socialist systems that lean more towards one end or another.
     
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  5. Sackie

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    I don't want to see Australia go further and further left. And I believe most Australians, libs and labor don't as well. Last election was conclusive.
     
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    I don’t think we will :D
    Doubt we will go extreme left. Why? Too many of us own things, we are fairly wealthy and successful. Even with Chinas bullying policies we hit one of the largest surpluses this quarter. And those who don’t are looked after, so unlikely to start a revolution.

    I don’t think we will go extreme right either. At least I hope not. Part of our strength is our diversity, social systems, mateship and tax systems.

    I would like though to see our education to be free, our age care better (even though I’m nowhere near 40) and our universities less commercial and more “educational”. But I would like a lot of things :p
     
  7. Absent

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    You keep perpetuating the myth that you sacrifice more and work harder than those hard workers in social services, teaching, nursing, child care...

    You take risks with leverage and you are rewarded because our society prints money and funnels it into assets.
     
  8. Noobieboy

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    I dont believe its true that its as easy as because society printing money. Why not everyone is a millionaire then?

    Yes, brave take risks, they fail, they don't give up, they try again, they might fail, they try again and ultimately, they succeed. Nothing is easy, and money doesn't grow on trees. Its a fallacy to assume, people have money "just because". Everything comes from hours of research, self education, risk taking, effort and maybe a bit of luck.
     
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    So easy to sit, do nothing and say "Yeah the wealthy are so because the system is rigged". It is not. Some might came from money, and money does make more money. But even those who came from money need to work not to lose it.

    And vast majority of people on this forum, I believe, are self made, and not billionaires.
     
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    Its a nice idea, but how do you determine who can dispose more?
    A young single guy earning 80k a year is surely able to dispose more than someone on 100k providing for a family of 5. (I believe this is where Labour is blind and fail thier would be constituents)

    IMO the best way to solve the problem is to tax consumption in preference to income, and increase/broaden GST rather than income tax.
     
  11. Sackie

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    If that narrative works for you then fantastic. My debating days with folks of that mindset is long gone.

    Too busy enjoying life .

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    Wait till someone posts "You have that luxury because the system is rigged".....o_Oo_O
     
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    Wow a catastrophe waiting to happen and the owners losing their house.... IMG_20210305_102406.jpg
     
  14. Absent

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    So not working very hard but expecting to pay less tax. Doesn't sound fair to me.
     
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    I'm not an academic, I'm a gardener & mow lawns, but as a self employed person I have to do everything from the hard labour to invoicing.

    I have to make the same decisions as most CEO's earning 6 figures do, and do the min wage $25ph pick and shovel work (I average I end up with $40ph but my body is fast wearing our sadly).

    So I feel that the "system" is a bit unfair
    A football player has a short career due to injury and failing performance of the body and is well compensated during their career, but a physical labourer isn't

    Joyce probably gets paid millions (yet his advisors really do most of the work) yet the security guy on a rotating shift protecting all those million dollar plane's gets $60,000pa.
    Yep there's more to the tax system than just tax, seem's fair ?
     
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    I paid the costly price long ago so I can pay any price now.
     
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    And there are very hard working people who continue to pay a costly price every day. Their crime? They didn't choose wealth creation. I can't stand wealth creators who think they are better and more deserving than those people.
     
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    Your making up things in broad daylight. I've never ever said I think I'm better than anyone else. You know nothing about me.

    Time for my latte.
     
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    "self made" is largely a myth.
     
  20. Sackie

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    Depends what your definition of 'self made' is. If the definition is completely and totally of one's own doing, then no one is self made. But if it refers to a person taking the initiative, making the sacrifices, putting in the hard work and slogging over years to achieve a particular outcome with some luck then yes I'd refer to that as self made.
     
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