Abbott or Liberal culture to blame?

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  1. Zenith Chaos

    Zenith Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Tony Abbott has singlehandedly brought down the Liberal party with his complete and all consuming occupation with revenge on Turnbull (Government loses majority as Phelps claims historic victory in Wentworth). He is very calculating If Pope Francis is a Catholic, what is Tony Abbott?

    However, with email rumours of Dr Kerryn Phelps having HIV, maybe it's just a sinister culture of the Liberal party or politics in general. Maybe TA sent the email.

    I'm not taking sides in two party ideology, Bill Shorten is a hypocrite and political opportunist who will only make Australia worse off. My focus is on Abbott and the Liberal culture.

    Thoughts or is Tony just "a good bloke " having a laugh.
     
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  2. Lizzie

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    Behind the scenes Liberal party puppeteers ... with Abbott being the visible face.
     
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    What evidence do you have for that? What measure are you using. Seriously. For the most part economic griegr has been better under Labor and the rivers of gold during Howard years were due to a boom in China - they subsequently put in massive structural problems by attribution once in life time boom as bau?
     
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    From about 2002 and possibly even earlier federal and state governments were starting to see lots of extra unplanned revenue roll in.
    What made it different was that it was Gold , Iron Ore and Nickel all rising at around the same time.
    Gold for example was in a very dark place in the late 90s , and then prices started to rise and rise from lows of around $300 oz.
    As this happened many old mines re opened , others rapidly expanded and greenfield sites started up.
    Many new mines would require 300-400 workers .
    This was happening across all the major commodities almost simultaneously.
    Its one of the reasons why it was described as a once in a lifetime event, and from about 2004/5 there was a massive labour shortage in W.A as Iron ore , Gold ,Nickel and others were all poaching each others workers..
    While this was happening, millions and millions of dollars of extra revenue was rolling into state and the federal government .
     
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    Last I read it is unknown who sent the email. Blaming any person at this point.

    And don't forget there was a swing against Labor and the Greens.

    What is your take on that?
     
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  6. geoffw

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    There was about a 6% swing against Greens, 6% against Labor and around 19% against Coalition at this point

    Phelps campaigned strongly on fair treatment of asylum seekers in Nauru (a position which neither of the main parties takes) and climate change action.

    It's hard to know what caused people to vote as they did. One exit poll suggests that climate change, coal, and anger over Turnbull were leading factors
    Wentworth exit poll shows Climate and Coal are key issues in Liberal vote collapse

    I'm sure that there was a strong personal following for Phelps as well.

    Her policies probably had appeal to people who normally supported Labor or Greens, but who wanted alternative policies or a shakeup.
     
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    While I'm not a supporter of Tony Abbott's policies, I thought that this article was a bit rough.

    Same sex marriage is an issue which had been entrenched in the church for hundreds of years, and is a view supported by many entrenched Catholics. Pope Francis' view on climate change is just two years old, and a view which many Catholics would disagree with (although many would also agree). It's hardly fair to suggest that Abbott is inconsistent in his beliefs because certain beliefs don't align those with the position of the pope.
     
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    And they thought this would go on for ever :eek:.

    Bloody idiots ;).
     
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    This article suggests that Tony should be very afraid of the Wentworth result
    The person with the most to fear from the Liberal Party's Wentworth debacle is Tony Abbott

    However, Wentworth had a very high profile independent. The article suggests that independents will smell the blood and out their hands up. However, it may be difficult to find an independent candidate with such a high profile; too many independent candidates would splinter the protest vote.
     
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    Seriously?

    They stifle him at every turn - stab him in the back - overthrow him out off office ... and then get upset because Malcolm wasn't on their RahRah team

    And that folks, is what's wrong with the current Liberal Party

    Turnbull returns to coalition in turmoil
     
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    No shame whatsoever!
     
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    ALP ran dead because the best chance of keeping the Liberals out was for Labor to come third so their preferences would go to Phelps. Phelp's preferences would mostly go to the Libs.
     
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    Canberra politics has become full of narcissistic egomaniacs that are so entrenched in their own BS that they have now effectively disenfranchised themselves from the people.

    The problem is simple yet complex as it's a political cultural issue that blaming individuals will never resolve.....
     
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    Listening to Sadra on ABC AM this morning, and she was interviewing ScoMo about something (can't remember what) - boy - did he get snarky and snakey when she coming back to the question to try and get a straight answer ... he behaved like a petulant child and was painful to listen to

    I have so little respect for politicians atm
     
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    The craziness of our electoral system. It's all about strategy.

    Within each electorate, why can't we have a system where each person has one vote, and the candidate with the most votes wins?
     
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    Yeah. I don't like him either.
     
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    If you are talking about liberal culture many people I have spoken to are more concerned about how Turnbull and the leftists infiltrated this party than Tony Abbott, particularly those people who live in Western Sydney where cost of living is of prime importance, as well as those in small business and those who have aspirational dreams of one day funding their independence.
    Topics like climate change, larger government and increased taxes are not and should not be the domain of the liberal party of Australia.
     
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    I think they should be the domain of every party, as they are the prime concerns of the population they serve - that a reliable renewable energy
     
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    Quoted for truth!
     
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