A move back to the cold war era?

Or worse? So it starts.

America pulls out of cold war-era nuclear treaty

Trump pulls US out of Cold War-era nuclear weapons treaty with Russia

NATO weakened by America declaring non-involvement

President Trump Reportedly Threatened to Pull the U.S. Out of NATO

EU defense and security weakened by Brexit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...res-why/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6e8652ada90f

Now Russia declares it will redevelop it's nuclear missile program

Putin threatens new arms race after Trump pulls US out of nuclear weapons treaty

 

Has someone forgotten that 'the wall' is the biggest security issue facing the land of hope and glory?

 

... and if both the US and Russia re-start their nuclear programs, what moral high ground do they have over Iran and North Korea (and all the other tin pot dictatorships) to declare they can't have nuclears?

Between this and climate change (even more severe drought, floods, cold and hot) and plastics pollution - I'm feeling a little like we're hurtling towards a crisis point

 

I thought everybody was accusing Trump of buddying up with Putin. Whats happened to that narrative now?

 

@Serveman - I'll let you off the hook, if you let me off the hook too.

 

I'm with Geoff on my read of this. Putin has, for a long time, wanted this outcome ... means Russia will be relatively unhindered to "reclaim" countries that have claimed independence since the USSR breakup, as they did with Ukraine recently.

They also want Georgia, Armenia and Crimea back in the fold ... next stop Turkey ... then where? All the "stans" in the eastern provinces?

 

It was detected that Russia has been breaking the treaty since 2013, which btw expires in 2021.
Russia's behaviour not only threatens US security but European security as well.
Trump has given Putin 180 days to destroy the weapons to salvage the tresty which is where they are at now. In the case that Russia does not comply, gives US and their allies through NATO the process to put pressure on Russia to comply.
It's quite intersting if Trump had shown a blind eye to this how he would seem to be Putin's buddy. Now instead he does something to protect the tresty's integrity that he is accused of sparking an arms race. Thats pretty unfair.
It perhaps is just one part of how Countries that follow Marxist principles work. They have already done well to infiltrate countries including Australia from the inside through the universities, schools, entertainment industry and some of our political organisations to indoctrinate how people think.

 

The worry is the declaration with a set time limit - which makes it very easy for Russia to say "up yours" and pull out completely without even a pretence of complying or leaving the door open for negotiating.

Taking a hard line with someone like Putin, who will do anything not to appear "weak" in his own opinion, will not bring Russia into line under duress or "do it or else" declaration ... he will give the finger back to save "face". Which is how the original cold war started

 

If anything this is an awesome boost for Putin before the election. Bringing Russia back to its glory!

 

Have you got a link to something showing this - I can't find anything but speculation, conspiracy theory websites and basic reporting of what Pompeo has claimed

 

Guardian 2nd Feb, title Donald Trump Confirms withdrawal from INF Nuclear treaty.

 

Cause Guardian is such a great, unbiased and Non MSM source?

 

You are quite correct , linking to left wing media sources like the Guardian is not right.

 

Seems like some people are happy about this.

 

Yes - but in he article Trump "alleges" Russia has developed a missile. Russia has recently acknowledged it has developed a new missile but claims it does not violate the INF treaty. Where is the proof either way?

The INF treaty bans missiles with a capability over 500km ... the New Start treaty, that is expiring in 2021, is the nuclear warhead treaty, of which both countries have abided by. Two d

A major concern is that, by making an "liar liar pants of fire" accusation, and imposing a time limit to admit to something that doesn't exist based on speculation, that things will go badly now and only reach a worse point in time for the 2021 renegotiations on nuclears. Two different treaties.

Donald Trump confirms US withdrawal from INF nuclear treaty

Happy to read links to anywhere - left or right - as long as the reporting is based in fact and not assumption or speculation

 

Thank you!

Nope. It probably means he will rule the realm till he dies. And if anything this gives him an excuse to crash any opposition. Russia is too big and too strong to be stupid with. It needs to be managed in a smart and a politically balanced way.

 

True, but tell that to millions of Hungarians who got trampled by Russian tanks after the 1956 uprising when NATO didn't help, trying to be politically balanced as they were. NATO must act now and they must act forthrightly with the Putin or he will just keep going.

 

This is all Bolton whispering in Trumps ear.

DT would have no f&^$%en idea about the treaty.

Jeez just the other day he thought FBI agents were armed with AK-27s.

"Mr. Trump does not obsess about precision. He suggested that it was excessive for the F.B.I. to deploy a “team of 29 people with AK-27s, or whatever they were using” to arrest his longtime associate, Roger J. Stone Jr. There is no such thing as an AK-27 rifle. Presumably, the self-described Second Amendment champion was confusing it with the AK-47, although the F.B.I. of course does not use Russian-made weapons."

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