ASX Shares A Closer Look at the Big 4

Discussion in 'Shares & Funds' started by Alex Straker, 15th Dec, 2017.

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  1. Perthguy

    Perthguy Well-Known Member

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  2. Alex Straker

    Alex Straker Financial Life Coach Business Member

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    @Cityman appreciate questions, earlier forecasts for next support levels for indices are in this thread but you will need to scroll around to find them all.....

    World Indices Roundup - Jan/Feb 2018 Major Top?

    Updates for XJO - would be surprised if 5,600 got taken out in this leg down, later on yes but not now. If it does smash through there that would be a pretty nasty bearish sign but it does not look likely to happen. We are too oversold already and support is quite strong here. More likely to have a messy and volatile bounce before hitting 5,600 back to 5,940 area or maybe touch higher by mid - late Nov. Then a collapse again,

    Since most people are more familiar with XAO - All Ordinaries Index, here are the major support levels expected for XAO (XJO translates to approximately 95 points lower than XAO at present - currently 5,664)

    Notice how perfectly the red arcs called the top!! This chart was first built in October 2016 and I have published it here and elsewhere many months in advance of price hitting the red arc. This is not voodoo ;) ....it is based on laws of nature and growth fractals.

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    Re Gold - MWN advocated to accumulate Gold around 1,170 - 1,185 price going back a couple of months. Bought a decent heap of it in our SMSF using GOLD vehicle (listed on ASX). Medium term targets for spot gold price are 1,340 and then expect 1,400+ and as it surges I will trail a proprietary stop loss algo to lock in progressive gains.
     
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    A 50% down turn in house prices ?
     
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    Alex Straker Financial Life Coach Business Member

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    Yesterday I mentioned next support for XAO is 5,720.....

    LOOK AT TODAY'S LOW WHICH IS ALSO THIS WEEK'S LOW
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    Such is the inherent perfection of natural harmonics :)

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    Possible worse case for Sydney and Melbourne given the large run up
     
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    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    why not 85 % off rugs sale ......

    thats just as plausible ?

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    That would unwind just ten years of gains in Melbourne - it would not be a base case, but it is certainly not impossible. I would say 10-15% chance. If you look at Sydney and Melbourne, rental yields are at record lows - even at double the current yield, the yields would not be that high.

    This would obviously cause large losses for the banks
     
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    ttn Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys. It has been interesting watching share price movement in the last 4 weeks and also with recent profit/dividend announcement
     
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    Whilst I think a lot of the bad news from royal commission and also the housing downturn has somewhat been priced in, the red flag for me is the increase in payout ratio. I guess to be expected f profits fall and dividend maintains.
    Nevertheless I'm here for the dividends and for the long term so I will keep buying.
     
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    Share price movement is not a big concern for buy & hold investors like us but the possibility of losing franking credits is :D. We're Howard's battlers :oops:
     
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    NAB’s trailing net yield currently 8.3%. Anyone biting out there?
     
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    Over 10% after frank credits... and NAB has less mortgage portfolio out of the rest Banks. Good price
     
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    Wow @Alex Straker you really know your stuff. I can't wait to read your next update. Thank you for sharing your insights....
     
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    NAB- is about the same around 8-3 --8-4 late afternoon today and the psychology of missjudgment of bear markets some think it's not in the buy range -I put an one day order in this morning but the price turned ..
     
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    I am scared by how accurate this prediction has turned out to be.

    @Alex Straker what are tonight's Powerball numbers please?
     
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    5 year low for NAB, the dividends looks so juicy
     
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    I now have a lot of exposure to the big four, I must admit I will continue to add. In terms of NAB, I think we may possible reach the 21.20-21.80 level.
    If this is breached we could head back to gfc levels.
    As a dividend focused investor, looking from the outside in I honestly can't see any growth in dividends in the next 3 years at least.
     
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    Agreed dividend won't be growing in the next 3 years.

    At 21.20-21.80, that's 10% dividend from a major bank. Time to load up?
     
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    Yes it is around that number,and the time I bought in when a strong company like this one was trading below their intrinsic value was after the GFC and I bought in too early at about the 20 dollar range then in went down again to the mid 15 buck mark but I never sold..Just keep it simple and you avoid the complicated ..imho..
     
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    I just continue to DCA, if any extra funds appear, I will tip in abt more. As stated above, I'm very heavy banks atm (touch over 25% of total holdings)